aggression on flop short-handed

[Aplomado]

5-handed, blinds $300
Stacks: Aplomado, 3100, Armed frogs $2800
Dealing pocket cards: [7c, 6d]
3 folds
Armed Frogs calls $300
Aplomado checks.
Dealing Flop: [6h, 2d, 9c]
Armed Frogs bets $700.
Aplomado folds.

[samsonite2100]

I would fold. A reraise would mean you've invested almost half your stack on middle pair with a crap kicker. Seems like there's better places to get it in.

[TLR]

Its marginal but I would fold, you still have enough cjips to pick a better spot

[thnwkd]

Raise preflop. what are the other stacks like?

[konahead]

fold - you've got nothing invested and you can get back your blind on the next round. Alternative is to push, but since you've given no read, I don't suggest that. He probably hit the 9.

But keep an eye on this guy, and if he does it a lot, push with middle pair - he's just trying to buy pots and he'll fold to aggression.

[Aplomado]

Raise preflop. what are the other stacks like?

The entire table was playing pretty tight.

[thnwkd]

Raise preflop. what are the other stacks like?

The entire table was playing pretty tight.

Table ------ YOU
Tight ------ Loose aggr
Loose ------ Tight aggr
average ------ identify weakness and attack it

I meant what are their chip sizes. this would influence how i play the hand and how much im willing to risk to outplay villian.

[konahead]

hand history says opp has 2800, 300 less than hero.

I'm sure as hell not raising 67o on the bb with the sb limping in, unless I have a damn good read that he'll fold. He's almost got you covered here, and from the history, I can't tell if opp is actually the small blind, or if there's no small blind and opp liked his hand well enough to put in 300 preflop... Whats the point in raising here?

[thnwkd]

hand history says opp has 2800, 300 less than hero.

I'm sure as hell not raising 67o on the bb with the sb limping in, unless I have a damn good read that he'll fold. He's almost got you covered here, and from the history, I can't tell if opp is actually the small blind, or if there's no small blind and opp liked his hand well enough to put in 300 preflop... Whats the point in raising here?

from the hh i assumed bb vs. sb. however i am also interested in the stack sizes of the other opponents. believe it or not that is important info.

Aplomado is this from memory? there is not enough info... positions?, buy in? stack sizes?

[konahead]

I believe you that it matters.

but everyone folded down to them and there are 3 other players left, so unless 2 of them are extremely short-stacked.... Even if two opps will get blinded out next hand, I find a raise hard to stomach with 67o against an opp that practically has me covered.....

[thnwkd]

I believe you that it matters.

but everyone folded down to them and there are 3 other players left, so unless 2 of them are extremely short-stacked.... Even if two opps will get blinded out next hand, I find a raise hard to stomach with 67o against an opp that practically has me covered.....

good thinking... now flip it;
you like your hand so you limp
bb thinks then raises 3x
you.. wow he must like his hand... or is it a steal?.. hmm... he has me covered... fold.

Aggression, make your opponents make tough descisions. if he reraise fold, you still have a nice stack.
don't you realize that your opp will think the same things you are thinking?

[zenbitz]

I have trouble laying down middle pair here.... what's with the overbet? Are the other 3 guys much shorter stacks?

Pre-flop, I think randomly raising/calling is the correct play. Most people limp from SB vs BB only when they have dog do but hate folding to BB. If he folds his SB alot, then it's a clear check probably fold flop. I lean towards calling more because I don't mind seeing a flop with 76.

Is calling this bet crazy?? It should scare the crap out of him.... then push if he checks the turn. Yeah, that's crazy, don't do that.

He probably has 78.

[Aplomado]

Aplomado is this from memory? there is not enough info... positions?, buy in? stack sizes?

Somewhat. Pokerroom doesn't allow me to select text for some reason so I have to type it out.

This was a $5 buy-in. I was in the big blind and villain was in the small blind.

I can't remember the stack sizes for the rest of the table. I don't see how it matters considering the other three guys folded before either of us acted.

[JeffreyGB]

I can't remember the stack sizes for the rest of the table. I don't see how it matters considering the other three guys folded before either of us acted.

It matters in giving us a point of reference; Are they short-stacked and on the brink of going out (increasing your FE here)? Does everyone have about the same? How do your stacks compare to the others?

Reads are huge in this hand. I agree with twkd about raising preflop being reasonable (at least raising SOME of the time...don't do it every time he limps or you become an easy target for someone like me who likes to set that trap ). I also agree with Zenbitz about his bet being a bit odd. So look to the past and see what bets like this meant from him. With no read, I probably play it the way Zen describes, though pushing isn't horrid either. And folding isn't that bad.

[Muxy]

Easy flop fold.

[Aplomado]

It matters in giving us a point of reference; Are they short-stacked and on the brink of going out (increasing your FE here)? Does everyone have about the same? How do your stacks compare to the others?

I see. I don't remember exactly what they had, but combined me and Armed Frogs had about $6,000, which left $9,000 remaining to be divided among the other three. I don't think any of them were viciously short-stacked so I think we were all fairly even. The short stack was probably a little under $2000 or so.