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  1. #1

    Default Are these good push's?

    Or should I have used a standard raise?

    PokerStars Game #3542141933: Tournament #17576862, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/01/05 - 16:52:14 (ET)
    Table '17576862 1' Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: RajaPaki13 (4975 in chips)
    Seat 5: BJLTNYK (2590 in chips)
    Seat 6: BeatPurdue (2140 in chips)
    Seat 7: jiggajwil (2440 in chips)
    Seat 8: ZeRo22S (1355 in chips)
    RajaPaki13: posts small blind 100
    BJLTNYK: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BeatPurdue [Kh As]
    BeatPurdue: raises 1940 to 2140 and is all-in
    jiggajwil: folds
    ZeRo22S: folds
    RajaPaki13: folds
    BJLTNYK: folds
    BeatPurdue collected 500 from pot
    BeatPurdue: shows [Kh As] (high card Ace)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 500 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: RajaPaki13 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: BJLTNYK (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: BeatPurdue collected (500)
    Seat 7: jiggajwil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: ZeRo22S (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    PokerStars Game #3542139199: Tournament #17576862, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/01/05 - 16:51:54 (ET)
    Table '17576862 1' Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 2: RajaPaki13 (5175 in chips)
    Seat 5: BJLTNYK (2590 in chips)
    Seat 6: BeatPurdue (1840 in chips)
    Seat 7: jiggajwil (2440 in chips)
    Seat 8: ZeRo22S (1455 in chips)
    ZeRo22S: posts small blind 100
    RajaPaki13: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BeatPurdue [As Ks]
    BJLTNYK: folds
    BeatPurdue: raises 1640 to 1840 and is all-in
    jiggajwil: folds
    ZeRo22S: folds
    RajaPaki13: folds
    BeatPurdue collected 500 from pot
    BeatPurdue: shows [As Ks] (high card Ace)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 500 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: RajaPaki13 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: BJLTNYK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: BeatPurdue collected (500)
    Seat 7: jiggajwil (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: ZeRo22S (small blind) folded before Flop
    Think big, or suck.
  2. #2
    Yep, I push both.
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    both are fine. In both cases, any decent (3xbb+) raise commits you, you have bad position, and you want to see all 5 cards. nh.

    edit:
    I kind of want to somewhat retract the above having closely looked at the hand histories. You got these hands within 30 seconds of each other in the same tourney on the same table.... If you DIDN'T show your cards afterwards, I think that was your only mistake. Anytime I push twice pretty much in a row, I show at least the last one or your steals will get called too often. It's an individual choice, but I get more stealing hands than monster hands, so I like to show my good pushes so opps think I only play good cards... I don't think you're in a position to mix it up, but you may have considered limping the second AK - I don't like that either, but pushing twice in a row really puts a hurting on your steals later....
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    I like a raise to 5 or 600 in both.
    This is especially true since you gave us no other info. If, for instance, you had been tight, then all of a sudden pushed, I wouldn't call you without AA or KK.
    You need to extract some chips in these spots.
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    perhaps not in the top hand, but in the first (bottom) hand, wouldnt a 500-600 raise pretty much commit him? Pot would be bigger than his stack if he gets called....

    But thats a good line on the second (top) hand, especially since he just pushed the hand before...

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