Ever get too "cute" with a hand?

[GatorJH]

I have inserted my thought process as the hand went along.

Stage #286534328 Tourney ID 60333 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $15 - 2006-01-05 12:36:06 (ET)
Table: 5062657 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 1 - LHAAAA ($1040 in chips)
Seat 2 - SMOKE0505 ($2290 in chips)
Seat 3 - SMITTTY5724 ($920 in chips)
Seat 4 - GATORJERRYH ($1390 in chips)
Seat 5 - DIESEL4444 ($1920 in chips)
Seat 6 - SGSHIR ($1700 in chips)
Seat 7 - LOGANCOOPER ($2330 in chips)
Seat 8 - 666SIN666 ($1910 in chips)
SMITTTY5724 - Posts small blind $15
GATORJERRYH - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to GATORJERRYH [Jd 8d]
DIESEL4444 - Calls $30
SGSHIR - Folds
LOGANCOOPER - Folds
666SIN666 - Folds
LHAAAA - Folds
SMOKE0505 - Calls $30
SMITTTY5724 - Folds
GATORJERRYH - Checks (Whoo-hoo, get to see a flop)

*** FLOP *** [7c 9h 10d] (Hey Look, I flopped the nuts, let's see how much money I can extract from these unsuspecting dummies).GATORJERRYH - Checks
DIESEL4444 - Bets $30
SMOKE0505 - Calls $30
GATORJERRYH - Calls $30
*** TURN *** [7c 9h 10d] [Jc] (Crap, am I going to have to split this now with another 8? Should I take it down now? Naaaaa, still in good shape, lets collect a few more chips)
GATORJERRYH - Checks
DIESEL4444 - Bets $30
SMOKE0505 - Calls $30
GATORJERRYH - Raises $60 to $60 (Take it down now? Nooooo, that would be too smart. Let's get greedy though and put in a min raise that they would call)
DIESEL4444 - Calls $30
SMOKE0505 - Calls $30
*** RIVER *** [7c 9h 10d Jc] [Qs] (Just flippin great!!! Now who's the dummy? Should I still make an attempt at it or is that why they call it the DUMMY end of the straight)
GATORJERRYH - Checks
DIESEL4444 - Bets $120
SMOKE0505 - Folds
GATORJERRYH - ??? (CRAP!!! Not what I wanted to see. Can I call this bet or do I have to lay it down now and kick myself in the ass for trying to get too cute with it? Right about now I feel like Eric from "That 70's Show" with Red right behind me saying "Way to go - DUMBASS".)[/b]

[Muxy]

fold.

Bet when you have a hand.

Play ABC poker at these stakes.

[samsonite2100]

I'd slow-play this one too, but I think when that jack comes on the turn you have to go ahead and end it.

[konahead]

check-raise flop bet to 90-120 - you're giving way too many people a free ride, and just calling is no way to build a pot. Opps obviously have something - you have a bettor and a caller already. Bump it up a little. No one will believe you have a straight here.

On turn, if you had check-raised the flop, you could be fairly confident that no one has KQ drawing to an inside straight draw - so you're still good. But JQ probably stuck around, along with any sets - and you've now got 2 to a flush - time to take it down. Bet the pot. nh.

It's so easy for a monster to become an anchor - slow-plays are good if you pretty much don't care what cards come later, but if you can be counterfeited, then build the pot early and take it down before things get real ugly...

[GatorJH]

Konahead - Great points, thanks

Muxy and Sampsonite - There is just under 500 so you are getting over 4 to 1 on a call of 120. Do you really think that you would lose this hand more than 3 out of 4 times?

[samsonite2100]

You mean on the river? I don't know, I think it's pretty clear you're beat, but odds-wise you may be right. In my previous post I was talking about betting big on the turn.

[drmcboy]

call on the end.

Kona is correct on the betting.

[GatorJH]

OK, so we have established that I have played this hand poorly so far and that a call on the river is the correct call (although most likely a crying call).

Unfortunately, I was sooooo busy kicking myself in the ass that I simply folded the hand instead of looking at the pot odds. To add insult to injury.......

GATORJERRYH - Folds
DIESEL4444 - returned ($120) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DIESEL4444 - Shows [Jh 5h] (One pair, jacks)
DIESEL4444 Collects $375 from main pot

I now PROUDLY nominate this hand as - "One of the worst hands played by a FlopTurnRiver Poster in 2006".

"Say Goodnight Alice." " Goodnight Alice"

[samsonite2100]

Wow. It's like bizarro universe poker.

[konahead]

you have entered the land of mystery and imagination - and passed through the gateways to... the Twighlight Zone...

[baudib]

you have to call that. come on.

[zenbitz]

The irony here is that if you just called the river, you'd have played it right.

I mean, a little cute, but if you raise big anywhere here, you will probably get folds.

[MAX]

In this instance, I think a small (1/2 pot) raise on the flop represents that you caught a small pair from the bb. People with overs call more often than you think, as does anyone with a real hand. The point being that you are building the pot so that you can justify bigger bets later in the hand. When someone hits their over, they assume that they now have the best hand, and are ready to pay you off. Check raising isn't a good line because it gives away your strength. If the pot was bigger, and you had a reason to believe that you would be raised if you checked, then it makes a little more sense. I just think slowplaying is overrated until you reach the higher blind levels/shorthanded.