JJ overpair with paired board

[baudib]

With this many people in the pot, this early (first level), I have to concede some chance of this guy having a 9 here. What else could he call the flop bet with?


PRE-FLOP
MLBCUBS calls $20, baudib bets $50, bellingo calls $50, Gezzel1 folds, Thubs folds, BigSlick1060 folds, arivi folds, frex1729 folds, kuyarj28 calls $40, S Arp calls $30, MLBCUBS calls $30.

FLOP [board cards 9C,9D,2C ]
kuyarj28 checks
S Arp checks
MLBCUBS bets $100
baudib bets $500
bellingo folds
kuyarj28 folds
S Arp folds
MLBCUBS calls $400.

TURN [board cards 9C,9D,2C,9S ]
MLBCUBS bets $100
baudib ????

calls $100

RIVER [board cards 9C,9D,2C,9S,6C ]
MLBCUBS bets $200, baudib calls $200.

SHOWDOWN
MLBCUBS shows [ 10C,KC ]
baudib shows [ JS,JD ]
baudib wins $1,850.



SUMMARY
Dealer: frex1729
Pot: $1,850
Thubs, loses $0
BigSlick1060, loses $0
arivi, loses $0
frex1729, loses $0
kuyarj28, loses $50
S Arp, loses $50
MLBCUBS, loses $850
baudib, bets $850, collects $1,850, net $1,000
bellingo, loses $50
Gezzel1, loses $0

[samsonite2100]

Ugly. He didn't raise preflop, so high pair is probably out. I wonder if he's just a complete moron on a flush draw. I've seen that before.
Anyway, I think I'd just call.

[lowBoy]

What buyin is this? I would have raised more than $30 at the earliest blind levels - 2.5xBB raises never really get respect.

A lot of people will call your flop raise and bet out with any pocket pair here, sticking it out until a high card comes. A stupid flush draw or two high cards maybe? Most likely a PP.

As for what to do, cheap showdown. You've likely got the best hand here, but don't want to go broke on it.

[Blinky]

Stack sizes?

A pocket pair can and may call your flop overbet (it IS too much IMO). If he's holding a higher pocket pair, he's partly a tard and probably getting paid off by me.

My assessment - you are ahead too often here to let this one go. Show it down.

PS - I pay off 9x here all the time, as much as I'd almost certainly pay off any straight flush any time I'm holding the nut flush on a nonpaired board.

[zenbitz]

Without reading results... he can call flop with any pair, AK. He just has to believe that his pair is better than yours. No one gives credit for the 9 here. Certainly not quads when the turn hits.

JJ on a 999x board is NOT the nuts... but it is the 5th nuts. Kinda like having the nut flush on a paired board.

Read the rest... Raise turn because of the club draw. Show down cheap is good... but not THAT cheap. Also raise turn because I don't like letting people get away with stupid little donk bets like that. I would probably raise turn with any 2 (although that would make the flop play.... questionable)

[konahead]

the boy limped AKclubs (maybe it's vqc ) or has a pocket pair 55-88. Raise his ass to 300 or as much as you think he'll call cuz he won't put any more in on the river if he's drawing for the flush.

[baudib]

Dude took the lead on the flop and called an overbet of the pot on a flush draw, even thought his flush was good with a three-to-a-kind on board. Don't make assumptions about what these people will call.

[konahead]

I hadn't seen the results. lol - he must not have heard you knockin on his fishbowl.... nh.