3-handed: top 2 pr MP, caller behind, checkraise AI ahead.

[Blinky]

I don't find a fold here (except preflop), but is it better to call or push to determine what the guy OTB is up to?

No read on the OTB guy; Mister .com has been playing pretty tightly and has show down two suited non-connectors - once picking up a tiny pot and once slowplaying a flopped flush from LP.

#Game No : 3325115002
***** Hand History for Game 3325115002 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, January 06, 15:53:10 EDT 2006
Table Table 80138 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 6: Wish_4_AA ( $28.60 )
Seat 9: ksu424 ( $29.42 )
Seat 8: TheChipGimp ( $26.20 )
Seat 4: TheGaryLee ( $29.40 )
Seat 2: twinniie ( $13.05 )
Seat 5: issoeasy_com ( $9.25 )
Seat 10: Bread_Win_Er ( $24.65 )
Seat 7: ooPudge420oo ( $5.15 )
Seat 3: roaddawg22 ( $30.49 )
Seat 1: Alegendxx ( $5.50 )
TheGaryLee posts small blind [$0.10].
issoeasy_com posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheChipGimp [ 9h 7h ]
Wish_4_AA folds.
ooPudge420oo folds.
TheChipGimp raises [$1].
ksu424 folds.
Bread_Win_Er folds.
twinniie folds.
roaddawg22 calls [$1].
TheGaryLee folds.
issoeasy_com calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, 6d, 9c ]
issoeasy_com checks.
TheChipGimp bets [$2].
roaddawg22 calls [$2].
issoeasy_com is all-In [$8.25]

[Silly String]

I call and hope the button folds. If button calls, I push any non-diamond on the turn. BB is on a straight draw.

[bdawg56kg]

I think you have to isolate here by pushing or putting in a big raise. There are too many scare cards that can come out on the turn and roaddawg's call on the flop most likely suggests a draw. On a side note, why are you raising 97s UTG+2 on a full table? What do you do if the flop is 8T2 with 2 spades, and you get the same flop action? Say you and roaddawg both call the all in, then what do you do on a blank turn and roaddawg pushes or bets big? What do you do if the Js or 6s hits? Without position, you are in a very ugly spot.

[Blinky]

Thanks for the replies.

Bdawg - not sure if your questions are rhetorical but in case they aren't:

1. On a side note, why are you raising 97s UTG+2 on a full table?

I am a TAGG player so this is a "change up" for me. Plus I was getting bored (admittedly not a great reason to get involved in the hand but it's done)...

2. What do you do if the flop is 8T2 with 2 spades, and you get the same flop action?

I probably don't play the flop the same way. I might lead out, I might just check/fold.

3. Say you and roaddawg both call the all in, then what do you do on a blank turn and roaddawg pushes or bets big? What do you do if the Js or 6s hits? Without position, you are in a very ugly spot.

This is part of the reason that I posted this HH. It seems that many of the HHs posted here have a fair path if you're TAGGY (you either have cards, position or both).

If I have your example flop, I figure I'm in a tough spot and look for a relatively cheap showdown.

PS - I looooooove your avatar. Who is she?
PPS - you and roaddawg aren't related are you?

[bdawg56kg]

PS - I looooooove your avatar. Who is she?

Her name is Nicole Oring. She's actually a pr0n star lol. Took me a while just to find a pic that I could actually use on FTR. hehe


Getting back to the thread tho, I was just stating that hypothetical situation because when you play drawing hands, most of the time you will flop a draw instead of a made hand, and it's tough to play a draw effectively out of position. You responded by "I might lead out, I might just check/fold." This seems to tell me that you're basically surrendering the pot if you get a T82, 2 spades flop. I'm not saying that check/folding is the wrong play, but think about this. Why are you playing suited connectors, let alone raising them, in early position if you're going to pretty much give up if you flop some sort of draw. Seems like unless you either steal the blinds or take the pot down on the flop with a c-bet, you are losing $1 or maybe more each time you make this play. But play/raise suited connectors from late position, and the hand becomes much easier to play, resulting in bigger profits from SC's.

[finky]

Against observant players I like the PFR, It screws up their reads now and in the future. Youve hit a strong hand that is very well concealed which is exactly what you want.

I might go for a min raise here, cut down drawing odds but a push is fine as well. There are a lot of cards on the turn that could make the second villians hand or kill your action and a push would also counter any positional disadvantage you might have.

[IowaSkinsFan]

you could fold on the flop reraise, He could easily do this with an overpair..... I guess. 96 comes to mind.... a big straight and flush draw........ all these you are beating, or have odds to call. I feel like if he is a solid player however his most possible holding is a set. But yeah call the flop, the cold caller should fold.

[Lukie]

Preflop is fine. Loose and something I wouldn't make a habit of, but fine.

On the flop, all-in. If you lose to a set say 'nh' and rebuy.