What a Long, Strange Trips it's Been

[samsonite2100]

This is a hand that happened during my last SnG that got me thinking:

5 players left. 50/100 blinds. I have about 2500 chips and am in second place. I'm CO and dealt KQ suited. I raise 300. It's folded to the BB who calls.

The flop comes 5-K-K.

I bet 200
He raises to 700
I raise to 1400, which puts him all-in
He calls and shows K-2.
Last card is a rag and he's out.

Two questions:

1) is it possible for him to get away from this hand?

2) is this situation mathematically improbable enough to not even worry about it? I ask because, strangely, this exact same situation happened earlier during the same game.

[baudib]

you run into someone else with trips or fullhouse to your trips/fullhouse plenty often enough to understand why you don't play K2.

[thnwkd]

you run into someone else with trips or fullhouse to your trips/fullhouse plenty often enough to understand why you don't play K2.

good point!
but amazingly i got busted on a similar hand in a 15+1 turbo. actually when i first read this i thought i was the opp. it was like this;
I'm in BB with Kh2h. blinds are T200.00 .I have a nice stack maybe second stack at this table can't remember right now. UTG min raises to T400.00. do you fold here?
flop comes 6 2 2 i check, UTG Raises about 1/2 pot, i reraise, he moves AI and i call, he turns over pocket 66. just unlucky this guy had the only hand the beats me. but the question is do you lay Kh2h to the min raise?

[samsonite2100]

I would usually lay K2 down PF in that situation.

[Staresy]

yeah, this has been happening to me quite a bit recently(getting min-raised when I am in the BB I mean).

I think it is because we (FTRers) have become quite accustomed to making solid raises, even if we're on the steal, that we forget that other players do not do this. I have had to restrain myself on numerous occasions from calling in situations like this "out of spite" (i.e. with any two cards; (a) because of odds - you are being offered 7:2 to call with any two, more if antes are involved and (b) because I want to catch a massive hand and crack the dipshit min-raiser for all his stack).

However, what you dohave to bear in mind is the fact that, firstly; regardless of the min-raise, you are still holding K2s, against a raiser, who has position on you. Secondly; people may well see what kind of hands you are calling with and start to peg you as a "play any two" type player and not respect your raises when you make them. Plus, you won't flop enough of these miracle flops to make it worthwhile, unless of course you have a big edge in your post-flop play against whoever it is who makes these type of raises.

Remember, at the lower buy-ins, the vast majority (I'm not saying all, but a lot) of players are completely oblivious to the fact that you have folded 10 hands in a row; however, you can guarantee that they do remember the time you called with 84s in the BB against a raise.

[TLR]

K2 is a shitty hand to play, and I would fold it to any raise.

Mathematically speaking, if you hold Kx and the flop comes KKx, this means there is 1 more K in the unknown cards, which could either been dealt or not, chance of this card dealt
2x(number of players besides you)/47
so when it is 6 handed it is 10/47, on a full table 18/47.

However when 2 of the same kind are on the board, and you are getting reraised with trips you have to be concerened about the kicker, unless the opponent is very loose he will usually not reraise without at least trips

[TLR]

[quate]flop comes 6 2 2 i check, UTG Raises about 1/2 pot, i reraise, he moves AI and i call, he turns over pocket 66. just unlucky this guy had the only hand the beats me. but the question is do you lay Kh2h to the min raise?[/quate]

just for the record, 66 is not the only hand that beats you, A2, and 62 also beat you

[Sprayed]

Play tight from the blinds even to min raises. Defending your blinds late in a tourney when you have a decent stack IMO is not worth doing unless you have a good hand and K2 o or s is not a hand you want to mess around with. I might call a raise with this hand if there are multiple callers. If you are going to play out of the blinds when someone raised, I would rather reraise than smooth call especially to min raises.