Flopped set 6-way

[Aces]

Party $109 SNG. Called PF with 33 and flopped a set. What's your move with a bet and call on the flop in position? Pot = 270. Call, min-raise, pot raise?

[BTW isn't ender_555 an FTR-er, or am I just dreaming that up?]

***** Hand History for Game 3352935346 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 19101190) - Wed Jan 11 12:39:29 EST 2006
Table Table 67302 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: greyko (945)
Seat 2: rattia (990)
Seat 3: Hero(960)
Seat 4: joeg1219 (1080)
Seat 5: toptick (1000)
Seat 6: largeloser (1070)
Seat 7: bowbowbow (895)
Seat 8: ender_555 (970)
Seat 9: SevnFigures (990)
Seat 10: cpark227 (1100)
joeg1219 posts small blind (10)
toptick posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero[ 3s, 3c ]
largeloser folds.
bowbowbow calls (15)
ender_555 folds.
SevnFigures folds.
cpark227 folds.
greyko calls (15)
rattia calls (15)
Hero calls (15)
joeg1219 calls (5)
toptick checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3h, Kd, Qs ]
joeg1219 checks.
toptick checks.
bowbowbow checks.
greyko bets (90)
rattia calls (90)
Hero ???

[Aplomado]

Attack the pot. I think a min-raise is good to see if you have players who want to get frisky or will just call.

If you just get called, push the turn if there are still multiple players involved.

[Fortune 500]

I think I raise here... you've got a couple action cards out there... and a straight draw is possible, but I see no need to get nuts. I make it around 200, 230 here... and push the turn

[Sprayed]

Raise the flop to see where you are at. If you get action push the turn.

[Khabbi]

There are too many players still in the pot. Make a pot-sized or just slightly over. You don't want too many hands to stick around.

I'd bet 300 just because of the number of players still in the pot. With 1 or 2 opponents, 200 would be fine.

[Aces]

I'm in agreement, just wanted some other opions. I sometimes overbet strong hands.

I re-raised to 300 and everyone folded.

[zenbitz]

OK, I am way happy slowplaying this to the max as long as no one has more than 6 outs.

KK or QQ you are crushed anyway.
KQ has 4 outs
KX QX has running Xs - K or Q gives you a boat.
AJ has 4 outs
JT has 8 outs

So the only hand I fear is JT. JT is probably going to call any way... and if no one has JT (way more likely) then you will fold many, many worse hands dying to pay you off.

I guess if a non-diamond falls on the turn, making 2 to a flush I might have to raise it there.

I don't play alot of 109s (i.e., none), but I think you want to raise the flop to exactly maximize the pot. (could be zero). Only scare cards are As/Ts/9s. You really WANT KX and QX to hang around because their trips boats you and you stack them (paying off KQ, but oh well).

KQ probably raises the flop, - at which point you push.

[Aces]

OK, I am way happy slowplaying this to the max as long as no one has more than 6 outs.

KK or QQ you are crushed anyway.
KQ has 4 outs
KX QX has running Xs - K or Q gives you a boat.
AJ has 4 outs
JT has 8 outs

So the only hand I fear is JT. JT is probably going to call any way... and if no one has JT (way more likely) then you will fold many, many worse hands dying to pay you off.

I guess if a non-diamond falls on the turn, making 2 to a flush I might have to raise it there.

I don't play alot of 109s (i.e., none), but I think you want to raise the flop to exactly maximize the pot. (could be zero). Only scare cards are As/Ts/9s. You really WANT KX and QX to hang around because their trips boats you and you stack them (paying off KQ, but oh well).

KQ probably raises the flop, - at which point you push.

I think I need to raise something here. If not one of the limpers might catch a higher set, or some other combination of cards could combine to beat me if it ends up 4 or 5 way to the turn. Many time the open checkers fold, but they might not for those odds. Even a min bet might encourage more action than I want. Not sure I wan't more than one opponent - A J T 9 are all scare cards for me. The strange thing about this hand is there are 6 in PF. Maybe a 250 raise keeps just one or two in, but I think 300 was close to the right raise amount. I see your point though and appreciate the input.

[zenbitz]

It's a tough value question to be sure. Nor did I mean to imply that you SHOULD slow play it... People might get very suspecious when Mr. Tag (if that's how you play) flat calls on a rainbow flop.

If you min/raise, you probably get the original guys in the pot to call again - so that's 2 extra bets. If one of the checkers calls your m/r then you are ahead. I think m/r is the best choice here, unless it looks too trappy.

They might call given pot odds... BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE ODDS.

Even player 6, who is getting 7:1 pot odds should fold everything but JT! Pocket pairs and gutshots do have implied odds to call you, probably.

Also, an aggressive player behind might check/raise a bunch of passives with a worse hand than if you even minraise, which would be sweet. Ideally, I think you want 2 guys to call behind, last guy to act check/raises, 2 more calls, then you re-raise.