AA Played badly early in 180 SNG...?

[Jack'd in]

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UTG (t960)
UTG+1 (t1370)
MP1 (t1980)
Jack'd in (t1280)
MP3 (t1330)
CO (t1410)
Button (t2010)
SB (t1170)
BB (t1950)

Preflop: Jack'd in is MP2 with A, A.
UTG calls t20, 2 folds, Jack'd in raises to t80, 3 folds, SB calls t70, 1 fold, UTG calls t60.

Flop: (t260) 4, T, T (3 players)
SB bets t20, UTG folds, Jack'd in raises to t100, SB calls t80.

Turn: (t460) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Jack'd in bets t240, SB raises to t480, Jack'd in calls t240.

River: (t1420) 7 (2 players)
SB bets t510 (All-In), Jack'd in calls t510.

Final Pot: t2440

I'll post the hand results a little later

[swiggidy]

There is 260 in the pot on the flop. You're 5x raise doesn't mean much because SB gets 3:1 to call. Raise to 200-250, if SB calls slam on the breaks.

[Jack'd in]

Turn: (t460) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Jack'd in bets t240, SB raises to t480, Jack'd in calls t240.

River: (t1420) 7 (2 players)
SB bets t510 (All-In), Jack'd in calls t510.

Final Pot: t2440

Results
SB has Jd Ts (three of a kind, tens).
Jack'd in has Ac As (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: SB wins t2440.

flopping EXACTLY trips by flopping two cards to one hole card 1.347%,and he did EXACTLY that ,I will raise more next time.

[swiggidy]

After that flop, the chance that he calls a larger bet with Tx or 44 is 100%. This call would raise a flag, then you could check the turn and call the river if it's a small bet.

This 1.347% isn't really relevant, he wasn't looking for trips, it just happened.

[Andy Holt]

After that flop, the chance that he calls a larger bet with Tx or 44 is 100%.

I'm with the squirrel here. The likelihood of him holding a T is raised with the bigger the bet he calls. Problem is, you usually have to bet a lot to find out, and lose a lot of chips in the process. But AA is one of those hands that you can lose a lot of chips with.

My solution in the early levels (since players call a lot more preflop raises) is to drop the hammer preflop when you're still way ahead and KNOW that you're way ahead. Instead of raising to 5x, raise to 6x or 7x, especially at the first level when you can afford to.

Otherwise, you could go broke too easily on a murky flop.

[boost]

yah... you dont need to raise more here preflop. You can raise it up to 100 cuz of a limper, but dont go all crazy on a results oriented rampage. Youve got 1 utg limper and AA, 4-6x is fine at these blind levels. At 10/20 I typically do 4x preflop +1 bb per limper, and depending on the table Ill ignore 1 limper and keep it at 4x, then add 1bb for every limper after that. Your only error was the we raise on the flop, it gave you no info, he his calling range is huge now. He had to call 80 to see .. what like 300? He could have X4, he could have any pp, he could even have overs. Youve gotta have a reason for your bets, what did the raise on the flop accomplish? It got more chips in the pot, but when you arent confident you are ahead, your goal should be getting info, not just pilling more chips in. Also on the turn you made an error. He min raised you there, and considering your weak raise on the flop you can either fold or push. We still cant be 100% that he has you beat, but with the way he smooth called-checkraised you, I dont think you are ahead. The problem is that by calling you are committing yourself, you can no longer fold. Nearly half your stack is in the pot. And you only have 2 outs, you are in no way getting odds to call for a 2 outter. From the way this was played I would think you are behind 80-90% of the time, and you arent getting odds, gotta fold.

[a500lbgorilla]

That turn checkraise bones but it's a pretty good indicator of the outcome.

[mcatdog]

That turn checkraise bones but it's a pretty good indicator of the outcome.

The action on the flop already sends out warning signals. Check behind on the turn and be prepared to fold to a big bet on the river.

[boost]

That turn checkraise bones but it's a pretty good indicator of the outcome.

The action on the flop already sends out warning signals. Check behind on the turn and be prepared to fold to a big bet on the river.

I dont think so... because of the weak raise of 80 on the flop, we dont know whats going on at all. He could very well be on the flush draw, he could have 2 overs, any pp, we really have no clue what he has on the turn, due to the weak play on the flop. This is a perfect example of how a mistake early in a hand, compounds to make things worse and worse. I think a big problem people have is that they are used to re raising people preflop. Preflop if someone bets 100 you reraise to 3-400. Then people go and do the same post flop. but if the pot is 240 on the flop and the guy ahead of you min bets at 20, you dont reraise him 3-4 (or in this case 5)x you make a bet according to the pot. Otherwise you end up giving the villian incredible odds, and then have no way of knowing where he stands.

[Muxy]

This is how i would play it

[quote="Jack'd in"]PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t960)
UTG+1 (t1370)
MP1 (t1980)
Jack'd in (t1280)
MP3 (t1330)
CO (t1410)
Button (t2010)
SB (t1170)
BB (t1950)

Preflop: Jack'd in is MP2 with A, A.
UTG calls t20, 2 folds, Jack'd in raises to t150, 3 folds, SB calls t140, 1 fold, UTG calls t130.

Flop: (t470) 4, T, T (3 players)
SB bets t20, UTG folds, Jack'd in raises to t350 or 400, SB calls t80.

Turn: (t460) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Jack'd in bets t??? All In

That is how i would of played it, I raise huge with huge hands in he 10/20 and 15/30. Raise big these players are horrible.

[chardrian]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t960)
UTG+1 (t1370)
MP1 (t1980)
Jack'd in (t1280)
MP3 (t1330)
CO (t1410)
Button (t2010)
SB (t1170)
BB (t1950)

Preflop: Jack'd in is MP2 with A, A.
UTG calls t20, 2 folds, Jack'd in raises to t80, 3 folds, SB calls t70, 1 fold, UTG calls t60.

Flop: (t260) 4, T, T (3 players)
SB bets t20, UTG folds, Jack'd in raises to t100, SB calls t80.

Turn: (t460) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Jack'd in bets t240, SB raises to t480, Jack'd in calls t240.

River: (t1420) 7 (2 players)
SB bets t510 (All-In), Jack'd in calls t510.

Final Pot: t2440

I'll post the hand results a little later

I haven't looked at any other responses - but I am assuming by the turn minraise that your opp has the T and that you just couldn't let go.

You both played this hand poorly.

You played great up until the not being able to lay down AA part - and even that is not too bad of a mistake, so don't get too down on yourself.

He played like a doof, becuase he had to put you on either the draw or an overpair. If it was a draw he shoulda raised more to not give you odds and hit (the draw did hit too - just so happened no one had it). And an overpair is either going to call or fold no matter what the raise is here so he shoulda just pushed.

[boost]

Muxy, the reasoning you give is not very sound. You are suggesting that you should stick to the "these guys are all donks" knowledge that you have, and not take advantage of any further info you get during the hand. I think with 1 limper preflop you are going to be minimizing your winning potential by raising 8x preflop. 5x is fine here. That flop is ugly as hell, but you gotta reraise the min bet, when he calls you HAVE to slow down. Seeing as people like to minbet thier draws (even on paired boards) I probably would fold to any decent bet on the river too (seeing as the draw did hit) So I probably check the turn, fold the river.