You push this?

[JPSlayerNuts]

Early, jslodi had doubled up by calling a 3XBB PFR with 25s and catching the flush (aka DONK)

#Game No : 3406275361
***** Hand History for Game 3406275361 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:19390262 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Friday, January 20, 14:33:22 EDT 2006
Table Table 67568 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 3: JPSlayerNuts ( $770 )
Seat 7: CtotheR ( $840 )
Seat 4: KOHKBUCTADOP ( $775 )
Seat 10: gammeren ( $730 )
Seat 6: evarie ( $970 )
Seat 1: Birdhat ( $1570 )
Seat 5: jslodi ( $1410 )
Seat 2: GQ101 ( $935 )
Trny:19390262 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JPSlayerNuts [ Qd Kd ]
KOHKBUCTADOP folds.
jslodi calls [30].
evarie folds.
CtotheR folds.
gammeren folds.
Birdhat folds.
GQ101 calls [15].
JPSlayerNuts checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 3d, 8d ]
GQ101 checks.
JPSlayerNuts checks.
jslodi bets [125].
GQ101 folds.
JPSlayerNuts is all-In [740]

I think this is optimal

[Sprayed]

Second nut flush and two overs, I would say yes. With these short starting stacks it seems to me that when you get involved with a hand, you are involved for most if not all of your stack if you can't keep the pot low.

[konahead]

I'm trying to figure out whether I would want a call or a fold from the fish.... you think he's on another flush draw?

but yeah - I push there. You probably have 15 clean outs against middle pair - but perhaps no fold equity.

[JPSlayerNuts]

I'm trying to figure out whether I would want a call or a fold from the fish.... you think he's on another flush draw?

but yeah - I push there. You probably have 15 clean outs against middle pair - but perhaps no fold equity.

Fold equity? With 15 clean outs I'm ahead here if he has a pair, aren't I?

[konahead]

yeah - 15x2 - you're like 61% or so.... just sucks when you dont hit and the fish gets the pot... I like a made hand, so i dont mind some fold equity in these kind of situations.

[vqc]

ur about 53% to win here if all ur outs are clean.
(Outs*4)-(# of outs if greater than 8 - 8)

[konahead]

my bad.... my math sensei

[Stripclubjunkie]

Just to be annoying, could you please use the converter. I didn't use at first, but it's really worth it. But yes push it.

[JPSlayerNuts]

ur about 53% to win here if all ur outs are clean.
(Outs*4)-(# of outs if greater than 8 - 8)

Oops I too thought it was more like 60% too.

[vqc]

Just to be annoying, could you please use the converter. I didn't use at first, but it's really worth it. But yes push it.

we dotn relaly enforce that rule of NL and NL tournies.

for limit its really really enforced
I could care less. Im used to seein them this way by now.

[konahead]

looks like a std prty poker hand history. what's a converter for? these come right off the history screen, and seem easy to read (but then i'm used to seeing them....)

[a500lbgorilla]

I lead this flop. If he raises, cool, I push. (Dont really want it to come to this) If he calls, cool. If he folds, cool.

[zenbitz]

You are kinda aftraid of AXd here, even though there aren't that many diamonds out.
Hence 'rillas line is better. Can't really worry about that once he bets though....

I'm curious about what that overbet means here... it's kinda a ragged flop... Is pushing a 60-40 (at best... I doubt he calls with 68d or whatever) into a guy you think is loose really the best move?

You've invested nothing.... donkish guy throws out a wierd overbet on a low board with 2 diamonds (and you hold 2 high ones but not the Ace). I can find a fold here.