JJ tricky spot.

[Fortune 500]

Stage #305825459 Tourney ID 213884 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $10 - 2006-01-25 10:54:22 (ET)
Table: 5436190 (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FUZZYD83 ($1770 in chips)
Seat 2 - CHASERACER24 ($1460 in chips)
Seat 3 - MONTAKER ($1520 in chips)
Seat 4 - PSYCHO BRO ($1630 in chips)
Seat 5 - CORMZ ($1580 in chips)
Seat 6 - FORTUNE500 ($1650 in chips)
Seat 7 - COLO_LEE ($1310 in chips)
Seat 8 - HELPME2C ($1120 in chips)
Seat 9 - JOE_KICKASS ($1460 in chips)
FUZZYD83 - Posts small blind $10
CHASERACER24 - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to FORTUNE500 [Js Jd]
MONTAKER - Calls $20
PSYCHO BRO - Calls $20
CORMZ - Calls $20

I'm not feeling frisky here, so no need to go multiway... I usually make it 3xBB plus one per limper... Plus, 100 is a nice easy number to work with.
So...

FORTUNE500 - Raises $100 to $100
COLO_LEE - Folds
HELPME2C - Folds
JOE_KICKASS - Folds
FUZZYD83 - Folds
CHASERACER24 - Folds
MONTAKER - Calls $80
PSYCHO BRO - Calls $80
CORMZ - Calls $80

I'm still playing 4 way. Not happy... but would be worse if I hadn't raised.

*** FLOP *** [Jh 8s Qd]
My momentary elation at hitting a set evaporates when I see how coordinated the board is. At least it isn't suited.

MONTAKER - Checks
PSYCHO BRO - Bets $80
CORMZ - Raises $160 to $160

This is good. A raise and a reraise... doesn't really look like Drawing hands. I don't think I'm gonna lose everyone with a raise... so let's make it....

FORTUNE500 - Raises $480 to $480
MONTAKER - Folds
PSYCHO BRO - Calls $400
CORMZ - Folds
*** TURN *** [Jh 8s Qd] [10d]

Man... that board hates me.

PSYCHO BRO - Bets $100
Would a 9 raise here? Possible, but unlikely. That's a scared bet... but I don't think he has a 9 here. The only hands that would make sense are 99 or maybe a loose call with A9. Given that logic, I think my best move is...

FORTUNE500 - All-In(Raise) $1070 to $1070

Critiques? Should I raise smaller on the turn?

[vqc]

the turn is fine altho (while i didnt bother to take the time to think about) you should probably try to manipulate how much ur betting in order to keep track of how many chips u wil have left should u fold.

Does anyone prefer flat calling to try and fill up? Do u have enough FE here to make it a +cEV move?

[zenbitz]

I think the turn raise is bad. The only hand that makes a mistake here is KXd maybe AXd. with SFD. And they have fewer outs than they think (8d is your out).

You RERAISED the flop. You really think he bets 100 thinking you will fold or call? No, he wants a raise.

Flat call turn. Board is too scary to play for stacks unless you boat. He probably has no idea you are holding a set, so if he's got a straight or flush on river, you pwn him.

If he has something pathetic like AQ or QT... then he has already decided what to do if you push (pay you off or give it up). Making him decide on the turn doesn't help you.

You are discounting that he might have 9T and FLOPPED a straight. 99 89 Q9 J9 might also play that flop (perhaps badly... but hey). K9 is not impossible. I guess there 's no double gutshot. AK is possible too.

However, if you do raise turn - push is good. If you raise smaller, you still give villian chance to act again and push his straight over you when you are drawing to 10 outs.

[Fortune 500]

the turn is fine altho (while i didnt bother to take the time to think about) you should probably try to manipulate how much ur betting in order to keep track of how many chips u wil have left should u fold.

Does anyone prefer flat calling to try and fill up? Do u have enough FE here to make it a +cEV move?

Chip and pot manipulation is pretty much impossible in this particular flop. Perhaps, if I'd checked the flop, I could cheapen it up, but beyond that, I certainly have to raise the flop. If I'm going to raise the turn, its more or less going to pot commit me here, unless I want to guve my opponent a cheap card.

While I'm an advocate of pot manipulation, when I hit a strong hand early (and this is level 1) I'm often willing to pot commit.

The reasons being that I'll get looser calls earlier, and a gamble to get a big stack here, and I can take control of the game from here on out. While maintaining a small pot might be a safer play, It's more my style to push the edge here.

[Fortune 500]

I think the turn raise is bad. The only hand that makes a mistake here is KXd maybe AXd. with SFD. And they have fewer outs than they think (8d is your out).

You RERAISED the flop. You really think he bets 100 thinking you will fold or call? No, he wants a raise.

Flat call turn. Board is too scary to play for stacks unless you boat. He probably has no idea you are holding a set, so if he's got a straight or flush on river, you pwn him.

If he has something pathetic like AQ or QT... then he has already decided what to do if you push (pay you off or give it up). Making him decide on the turn doesn't help you.

You are discounting that he might have 9T and FLOPPED a straight. 99 89 Q9 J9 might also play that flop (perhaps badly... but hey). K9 is not impossible. I guess there 's no double gutshot. AK is possible too.

However, if you do raise turn - push is good. If you raise smaller, you still give villian chance to act again and push his straight over you when you are drawing to 10 outs.

All good points. I had a feeling I overplayed the turn.

[zenbitz]

While maintaining a small pot might be a safer play, It's more my style to push the edge here.

Or in this case... push the non edge.