How bout another hand?

[chardrian]

Game #1243565906 - Tournament $80,000 R&A - 200/400 No Limit Texas Hold'em -
2006/01/26-22:02:29.3 (CST)
Table "$80,000 R&A 8" (MTT) -- Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Journey (7,728 in chips)
Seat 2: shroom2474 (16,138 in chips)
Seat 3: chardrian (6,775 in chips)
Seat 4: ajf505 (13,720 in chips)
Seat 5: beymoor (6,890 in chips)
Seat 6: mikechr23 (22,798 in chips)
Seat 7: Franko69 (18,859 in chips)
Seat 8: Demas (9,980 in chips)
Seat 9: r riggs (24,700 in chips)
Seat 10: Hustlr (15,800 in chips)
shroom2474: Ante (25)
chardrian: Ante (25)
ajf505 : Ante (25)
beymoor : Ante (25)
mikechr23: Ante (25)
Franko69: Ante (25)
Demas : Ante (25)
r riggs : Ante (25)
Hustlr : Ante (25)
Journey : Ante (25)
beymoor : Post Small Blind (200)
mikechr23: Post Big Blind (400)
Dealing...
Dealt to chardrian [ 8s ]
Dealt to chardrian [ 8h ]
Franko69: Fold
Demas : Fold
r riggs : Fold
Hustlr : Raise (1,600)
Journey : Call (1,600)
shroom2474: Fold
chardrian?

Journey most likely has a hand like QK.

[JeffreyGB]

I look for a better spot than one where I'm facing a 4x raise and a call. You're destined to be at best a coinflip here, and it's quite possible that you end up getting called by both, making it very likely that you bust. You could also be dominated, and you're really not that short yet.

Reads change things a bit, but it would take some pretty strong information telling me they'll lay down before I like this play.

[Warpe]

Calling is 1/4 of your stack to basically set hunt, so it's either push/fold here, and I wouldn't want to tangle with the big stack if he's got half a hand. Think I'm folding.

[JeffreyGB]

Calling is 1/4 of your stack to basically set hunt, so it's either push/fold here

Yeah. I didn't state this, but assumed it. Calling here is just plain silly.

[Warpe]

Calling is 1/4 of your stack to basically set hunt, so it's either push/fold here

Yeah. I didn't state this, but assumed it. Calling here is just plain silly.

I talk to myself a lot.

[chardrian]

I was actually more worried about hustlr calling a push then Journey, but I thought I could get them both to fold.

Results:

chardrian: Raise (6,750)
ajf505 : Fold
beymoor : Fold
mikechr23: Fold
Hustlr : Fold
Journey : Call (5,150) with [Qh Kd]

[zenbitz]

nice read... sort of. I guess fat end of the flip is a good result for your stack size.

[chardrian]

I think what people are failing to realize in all these cases is that the fat end of the flip is my fallback.

One of my leaks used to be calling in these situations cuz I thought "I have to win a race at some point"

By pushing in these cases, I am not hoping to race - I am hoping to take it down preflop. And if someone who plays like I used to actually calls - ok, then come on luckbox.