(OT) Current Downswing (VLC)

[Rockymv]

-21 buyins.

Beat that suckas.

[vqc]

-21 buyins.

Beat that suckas.

i think mine was 7 at the 20s and then 25 at the 10s for a total of 400 dollar drop in about a month.

but i suck!!!!!

[lowBoy]

I had this weird spot on the side of my chest under my arm that I thought was a dormant third nipple just coming out. It kind of hurt when anything brushed up against it. But today it definitely became a pimple and I had to pop it, which was painful and sprayed my bathroom mirror. That's gotta be like -50 buyins there.

[vqc]

But today it definitely became a pimple and I had to pop it, which was painful and sprayed my bathroom mirror.

ur fucking hardcore

[vqc]

from now on posts like these will be moved unless they have (OT) on in the title.

this is is the onle and only warning to the SNG forum.

(edited the first post to reflect this)

the (VLC) tag is insufficeient to appease me =P.

[Trikflow77]

-21 buyins.

Beat that suckas.

yawn....had many 35 buy in down swings...and onee like 50 or so.......

[Andy Holt]

-21 buyins.

Beat that suckas.

yawn....had many 35 buy in down swings...and onee like 50 or so.......

Dude, 50 buyins??? That's one shocking statistic. I know you like to 8-table, but still...

[vqc]

-21 buyins.

Beat that suckas.

yawn....had many 35 buy in down swings...and onee like 50 or so.......

Dude, 50 buyins??? That's one shocking statistic. I know you like to 8-table, but still...

*yawns for trik.

[Andy Holt]

*yawns for trik.

It ain't nothin' to a rounder.

[Trikflow77]

-21 buyins.

Beat that suckas.

yawn....had many 35 buy in down swings...and onee like 50 or so.......

Dude, 50 buyins??? That's one shocking statistic. I know you like to 8-table, but still...

play 4000 sngs and tell me you never hit a 40+ buy in downswing.....then come back to me and prove it.

[Rockymv]

trik wins!!!!

[zenbitz]

I get my panties in a twist when I drop 4 buyins. Of course, when you only play 5/week, it seems worse than it is.

Who am I kidding... I beat myself for days if I bust OTM on a non-bad-beat in ANY Sng!

[naturaltan]

I'm with zen ... I get crazy losing more than 5 in a row. Liek Zen, I haven't played the quantity, but would seriously need to reconsider doing something else if I it that number, but that's me.

[a500lbgorilla]

Pfft, being down 21 buyins is an upswing for me.

[Rockymv]

make that 25 buyins...i'm getting there

[vqc]

make that 25 buyins...i'm getting there

*hug

dont worry man u will pull through.

i hate downswings.
if ur a winning player, u are a winning player. SImple as that. Downswings are a right of way. For anyone that says that 'x' amount of downswings is not possible, they just havnt played enough.

Go sharks.

[Rockymv]

The peculiar thing about this downswing is that I'm having a TON of sets where its like "sweet, big stacks on three tables looks like i'm gonna pull out of this downswing oh wait nevermind 4th 3rd 3rd".

[Andy Holt]

The peculiar thing about this downswing is that I'm having a TON of sets where its like "sweet, big stacks on three tables looks like i'm gonna pull out of this downswing oh wait nevermind 4th 3rd 3rd".

Hey rocky, it may not help to hear but I'm in a major downswing right now in MTTs, and I'm playing $55 SNGs to recover. It's really hard giving up multis for a while but I'm really kicking ass in these $55's. It's lower-variance, so I've been slowly building back up to where I can go back to MTTs.

Maybe you can leave SNGs for a while, or at least move down a notch to recover. Just think of it as an investment in the future of your bankroll. Don't feel ashamed, it happens to all of us. Just be prepared to make some adjustments. I always find that the "novelty factor"- the newness of playing a new form of poker, really helps on tilt and I really tend to focus a lot harder on upping my game.

PM me if you want to talk about where you could go.

[Rockymv]

well my bankroll is approaching the 50 buyin mark for the 60's. I think if i drop below this mark I'll move down to the 27's for a while to get my confidence back.

On a related note, why the hell doesn't stars have some turbos in between these to levels? It's such a huge jump up or down.

[boost]

rocky.. I think you need to change your ftr avatar to your stars one... kthx

and rocky those things are swingy as fuckkkkk... I dont think Ill play them again, instead of moving down to the 27's maybe you should move to the 55 (regs) or 33's and just give them a shot. When I switched from turbo to reg, I thought I was gonna be bored outta my mind... but I just 4 tabled and it was really relaxing. I felt like I had all the time in the world, I could make moves that didnt consist of all in or fold, and it just didnt feel all stressful.

[DogOnMySide]

I always find that the "novelty factor"- the newness of playing a new form of poker, really helps on tilt and I really tend to focus a lot harder on upping my game.

I totally agree with that. If I am bombing SnGs i play an hour or so of ring. Or even pointlessly throw $5 at an Omaha Hi/Lo tournament and embarrass myself playing stuff like A-K-Q-J.

It's SO much better for your mental state than booting up another SnG and feeling that "oh god i'm going to bomb this one too" feeling.

[konahead]

and y'all don't believe bad luck comes in streaks - lol

[Rockymv]

It doesn't come in streaks...and that's the scary thing. Every time I start an SNG I have exactly the same chance of winning. Therefore nothing says I can't continue running into the 40 side of the old 60/40 indefinitely. That's scary.

[boost]

very well put rocky. you rock.. hah.. get it? rocky rocks.. hah.. I made a funny... hah...

[konahead]

rocky - you say "It doesn't come in streaks" yet then say "nothing says I can't continue running into the 40 side of the old 60/40 indefinitely". Well - wouldn't that be a long streak?

I agree that you have the exact same chance to win at the beginning of an sng. Your results tell you if you're on a prolonged up/down trend/streak - Not your current situation - and it certainly doesn't affect future results.

I think the problem is I call it "luck" and you guys call it "variance" or "running on the 40 side of the old 60/40." Losing a 60/40 is bad luck - you're a favorite to win. and it can happen over and over for a while - ie - a streak of bad luck. That doesn't mean you'll lose the next one, but it's still a streak of bad luck.....

[zenbitz]

OF COURSE IT COMES IN STREAKS. Flip a (fair) coin 100 times- what is the longest streak of heads you get?

But the streaks are irrelvant. Lets's say you flip a coin 10 times and the last 9 times you get tails. This is a "streak" of tails. So what's the chance that the coin comes up heads the next time? 50%! (If it's a fair coin)....

If the coin is fixed then all bets are off - the coin being fixed is like you having a leak. If you have 2 head coin that comes up tails 51% of the time, and you lose on tails - congratulations, you've invented a blackjack simulator.

[konahead]

I was on a table and this guy pushed with some crap and won - so I told him he was lucky there and asked him why he did it and he said the game is mostly luck anyway so why not......

now that's a fish. Luck is a very small part of the game. Lots of "variance" is due to poor or incorrect play. I'm assuming that's what your driving at, zen, and I agree wholeheartedly. I'm plugging leaks - fixing my game - on a regular basis - mostly due to input from all of you. thx.

[boost]

OF COURSE IT COMES IN STREAKS. Flip a (fair) coin 100 times- what is the longest streak of heads you get?

I dont get what point you are making here? Is your question "what is the longest possible streak" or "what is the longest streak you got"? the answer to the first is 100, the answer to the second is irrelevent because the knowledge of how long a specific streak is does not help us draw any logical conclusion.

For the last time, luck or variance does NOT come in streaks. When we start to beleive thigns liek this, we start to believe that we are "due" for good or bad luck. This is the reason that I am against this "in streaks" thinking. Its bad for you.

[konahead]

damn - i'm sorry i ever brought it up....

but my god, man... what is it you don't understand? of course it comes in streaks - whether they're short or long, it's a streak until it goes the other way. When you have a 20 buy-in downswing, that's not a streak of bad luck? You get sucked out on by 2-outers three times in a row and that's not a streak of bad luck? I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, but the fact that players experience streaks of bad luck has absolutely nothing to do with being "due" for good or bad luck. It's simply an extended period of randomness going in a certain direction - against you. It can change in the wink of an eye.

[Trikflow77]

i havent had a downswing of more than 20 buyins on stars yet. On party....with 800-1000 chips, 20 buy in down swings were very common. At stars...20 buyins with 1500 chips is a decent swing... BTW i have only played about 1k sngs at stars (turbos) so i dont know, but in do know there is less variance in them than party.

[Rockymv]

Well now I'm sitting at about 43 buyins down so I guess I just suck.

[dan]

y dont u take like a day or two off? i find that always helps when im playing like shit.

[Muxy]

y dont u take like a day or two off? i find that always helps when im playing like shit.

come into vent once and awhile.

[dan]

ok muxinator!

[boost]

damn - i'm sorry i ever brought it up....

but my god, man... what is it you don't understand? of course it comes in streaks - whether they're short or long, it's a streak until it goes the other way. When you have a 20 buy-in downswing, that's not a streak of bad luck? You get sucked out on by 2-outers three times in a row and that's not a streak of bad luck? I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, but the fact that players experience streaks of bad luck has absolutely nothing to do with being "due" for good or bad luck. It's simply an extended period of randomness going in a certain direction - against you. It can change in the wink of an eye.

I dont like you, ysal.

[konahead]

don't know what ysal means, but I can guess - and as far as a bouncing banana not liking me - well - thats just funny.

perhaps you should not take it, nor make it, personal.

[Rockymv]

Hey, come on guys, this thread is about me sucking at poker. Let's not change the subject.

[mcatdog]

Rockymv,

Take my advice with a grain of salt because I just moved up to the 55+5's in January and I've only played 300 of them, but there are a couple of things I think you could be doing differently that might help you it. I have a lot of respect for you as a player so I hope you find this helpful. Most importantly I think you're waaaaay too tight in the early levels. In the 25+2's, you can get away with being really tight early on and still crush them for an absurd ROI, but in the 55+5's a lot of people are tight. I think you'll struggle if you give away as much value as you are, by folding everything and always having 1200 chips when you get to push-fold mode. Take notes on players, if you're to the right of some tight players, raise their blinds whenever you have a decent hand like a small pair, 2 broadways, Ax, or a medium suited connector. The tighter they are the more hands you can steal with. If I'm in late position and 3 or more people have limped behind me, I'll also limp in with any of the above mentioned hands (except for unsuited aces because they don't play well in multi-way pots).

I've had some success playing the first two levels like a cash game, making position raises and outplaying people after the flop. I've been surprised at how horrible a lot of the players are at playing after the flop, winning players even. My postflop skills would be below average in a game like 200NL but in the turbo 55+5 SNG's I'm way above average.

One very important point, if there's a maniac who hasn't acted yet, you won't see me stealing the blinds without a great hand. It's just not worth it.

Also, today I saw you go all-in with AQ over the top of a tight player's 4*BB raise which in my opinion is not the smartest thing to do. When someone makes a 4*BB raise (and their usual raise is 3*BB) in my experience a lot of times it's either AK or a medium pair that's scared of playing a flop that has overcards. Obviously, AQ sucks against this range and I usually fold it in such a situation.

Keep plugging away man, you're good enough to beat this game but it seems like your confidence is lacking right now. Maybe cut back on your number of tables, or follow Andy Holt's advice and play a different game for awhile. I recently dropped $700 in 2 days so I played a lot of 2-4 limit to try something different and practice my post-flop play. It's good advice.

Good luck!

[Rockymv]

Most importantly I think you're waaaaay too tight in the early levels.

You and everyone else. I agree that I definitely am. I guess I don't know how to get better at this. Should I try to learn NL ring?

[Trikflow77]

Most importantly I think you're waaaaay too tight in the early levels.

You and everyone else. I agree that I definitely am. I guess I don't know how to get better at this. Should I try to learn NL ring?

whats your sn on stars.... i know and have played with mcadog... whats yours?

[mcatdog]

Learning to play cash games might help your post-flop game, but I think making notes on your opponents' tendencies is the most important. Do you have notes on who all the multitabling regulars are, and how often they defend their blinds from a late position steal, and whether they're capable of folding to a reraise? These are the kinds of things that you need to know when the games you play have fewer random idiots and more regulars who have a clue how to play the game.

[Rockymv]

Trik: My stars name is Rockymv.

mcatdog: I note all the multitablers, and usually focus on pushing into them on the bubble.

[dj newman]

I haven't played near as much as some of you here, but here is what I find. When I am running bad....I stop playing until I get to the point where I can't wait to play again...whether it is 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month or 1 year....when you are losing that much and feeling like that much shit, I leave the game.....give it a couple of days and you will get that excitement to play again. This is not just a bad luck streak....but I am guessing it is a bad playing streak. Hope you turn it around.

[Trikflow77]

Trik: My stars name is Rockymv.

mcatdog: I note all the multitablers, and usually focus on pushing into them on the bubble.

a good multi tabler is going to have a wider calling range then a tighty that is one tabling....i have a pretty wide calling range against other well known multi tablers.....

[Rockymv]

Not as wide as a lot of players.

[scgolfer]

Down 11k+ in tournament play for month. I thought i was pretty good i guess im not. im a <==><.

[Rockymv]

<==><.

Sweet fish man. Downswings suck huh? Yeah, they do. I'm gonna play some NL ring for a while. Start at 50nl and move my way up. We'll see what happens.

[boost]

Have you read HOH2? I think Ive learned a whole shit load of post flop play from that book. For me post flop play is pretty much all about being 'in the zone'. I think a lot of it is about 'having balls', by this I dont mean being reckless. What I mean is not being afraid. Also when you are trying to take someone off a hand, just because you are right on your read of what their cards are, this does not mean yo ucan win the hand. if the flop is 99A, and they bet the pot out of pos on the flop, 99% of the time they dont have a 9, however some people jsut cant let go of that ace, and its not worht it.

As for where you can go to practice these post flop skills... Sure you could play ring, but if you are mainly a tourney player maybe you should stick with them. Try playing the non turbos for a little bit, you will feel like you have a lot more time and you can relax and not feel rushed. These give you a lot more of an oppurtunity to play post flop of course, because its not uncommon to have a non turbo never boil down to push / fold. But whatever you do, I think its crucial that you get away from the turbos for a lil bit.

[Rockymv]

I'm having fun with ring right now, but I'll probably mix in some non-turbo 33's. Poker's a lot more fun when you try some new things.

[mcatdog]

whats your sn on stars.... i know and have played with mcadog... whats yours?

And what would your name be? I've played with a lot of multitablers but the only ones I've ever chatted with in games are Rockymv and lambchopdc, so I'm not sure if I know you.

[dj newman]

I actually played some live holdem over the last little bit....for some reason it helped a ton in understanding post-flop play...understanding why I was doing what I was doing was a little easier, and understanding different types of players made a lot of sense.