Really analyzing your play

[chardrian]

Ok I just got knocked out of a rebuy tourney (again - it's been a bad streak of bubble finishes) and proceeded to beat the crap out of my pillows yelling how I just shafted.

I lost on two hands with a 3 out river and then shortstacked a KK that also got rivered by an OESD.

And I was bitching about how unlucky I am, and was going to post the two hands in my blog as a vent. But while I was typing, I realized how stupidly I played my first hand.

Here's the hand:

Game #1247306352 - Tournament $40,000 R&A - 1,000/2,000 No Limit Texas Hold'em -
2006/01/28-16:55:12.7 (CST)
Table "$40,000 R&A 19" (MTT) -- Seat 7 is the button
Seat 1: RamiBewks (29,880 in chips)
Seat 2: loopy (10,460 in chips)
Seat 3: nitro43 (11,590 in chips)
Seat 4: H.S.T80 (28,198 in chips)
Seat 5: snoopmoney (13,115 in chips)
Seat 6: MR ROBERTO (59,655 in chips)
Seat 7: mikechr23 (20,650 in chips)
Seat 8: chardrian (35,225 in chips)
Seat 9: GT P1 (68,895 in chips)
Seat 10: farmmer (33,950 in chips)
loopy : Ante (100)
nitro43 : Ante (100)
H.S.T80 : Ante (100)
snoopmoney: Ante (100)
MR ROBERTO: Ante (100)
mikechr23: Ante (100)
chardrian: Ante (100)
GT P1 : Ante (100)
farmmer : Ante (100)
RamiBewks: Ante (100)
chardrian: Post Small Blind (1,000)
GT P1 : Post Big Blind (2,000)
Dealt to chardrian [ Ks ]
Dealt to chardrian [ Qc ]
farmmer : Raise (6,000)
RamiBewks: Fold
loopy : Fold
nitro43 : Fold
H.S.T80 : Fold
snoopmoney: Fold
MR ROBERTO: Fold
mikechr23: Fold
chardrian: Call (5,000)
GT P1 : Fold
*** FLOP *** : [ 6s 4h Kc ]
chardrian: Check
farmmer : Bet (6,000)
chardrian: Call (6,000)
*** TURN *** : [ 6s 4h Kc ] [ 7d ]
chardrian: Check
farmmer : Bet (8,500)
chardrian: Call (8,500)
*** RIVER *** : [ 6s 4h Kc 7d ] [ Ac ]
chardrian: Check
farmmer : Check
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 44,000 | Board: [ 6s 4h Kc 7d Ac ]
RamiBewks lost 100 (folded)
loopy lost 100 (folded)
nitro43 lost 100 (folded)
H.S.T80 lost 100 (folded)
snoopmoney lost 100 (folded)
MR ROBERTO lost 100 (folded)
mikechr23 lost 100 (folded)
chardrian lost 20,600 (showed hand) [ Ks Qc ] (a pair of kings)
GT P1 lost 2,100 (folded)
farmmer bet 20,600, collected 44,000, net +23,400 (showed hand) [ Jc Ad ] (a
pair of aces)

I don't have any idea why I called that turn instead of raising it. The only thing calling did was allow him to catch. So although him catching a 3 outer to cripple me sucks balls. I really don't have anything to complain about since I let him. I'm not sure he would have folded that turn, but I think he would have. But even if he hadn't, then I'd have the right to bitch and moan. On this one, I don't think I really do.

[Warpe]

Um...no raise on the flop either. Why?

[chardrian]

Why raise the flop? If he's making a continuation bet, he isn't gonna call a raise. If he has a hand like JK or TK, he will bet the turn as well. I don't see any purpose in raising that flop. This stage of a tourney really is about maximizing value on your hands.

However, by the turn, he very well might think he is "pot invested" - I shoulda dropped the hammer there.

[gabe]

why call an utg raise with KQ?

[chardrian]

cuz I don't undervalue QK.

[Sprayed]

I think if you are going to call a raise from UTG with KQo and you hit your K on the flop, you have to take a stab at the flop. Bet the flop and see where you are at. I agree, you definitely needed to hammer the turn.

[Easy17]

yeah /agree more betting early should have pushed him out if hes a halfway decent player.

But i lost a few key hands this weekend also on KQ, QJ - these hands have become radioactive for me, kind of like 2pair, just good enough to lose money if you dont hit the draw. I hit the Q on KQ and lost to AQ, as an example.

I have to remember why i start playing a hand like that its really for the str8/2pair/3k draws, not for the top pair. if i hit one of those cards on the flop its very possible im outkicked. - Although hitting the K with Q kicker is pretty good as you feel opponent doesnt have AK/KK.

similar problem a few other posts are posting, i am on a draw and back into top pair and lose chips.

[chardrian]

Lookign back at this hand now - I'm not that upset at how I played it. It was a bad beat. I was actually getting as much value as I could out of this hand by letting him bet it for me.

The fact that he didn't bet the river when he actually hit - was just gravy.

[zenbitz]

Ok I just got knocked out of a rebuy tourney (again - it's been a bad streak of bubble finishes) and proceeded to beat the crap out of my pillows yelling how I just shafted.

Better than biting the pillow while being shafted...

Oh the hand... fold preflop (even if AJ/AT is in his range you are *still* a 3:2 dog)... what are you hoping for here, 88 for a coinflip?

The way you played it is not horrible if you magically know he doesn't have AK/66/44/KK. I would like to know if I am losing, so I would either lead out on the flop, c/r flop... If you correctly put him on AJ, I think you played it well. He's not calling a raise, and miracled a 3 outer. At least you didn't push flop, get called by AJ and get knocked out rather than crippled.