how bad is this?

[cardsman1992]

I know I screwed this hand up top to bottom. Just wanted to get some feedback...

Okay, let me set the scene....

2nd hand, $5.50 SNG, blinds 10/20, stacks of those involved around 1500.

Dealt 55 UTG+1

UTG minraises, I call, fully intending to play for set value only. MP2 calls, blinds fold. Pot is $210.

Flop is 334 rainbow. Not what I was looking for but not exactly a horrible flop for me. I know I am behind to any pocket pair except 2's, and A2 and A5 are on 4 out draws now. But I expected a pocket pair to raise more than minimum, or to re-raise, so I thought I MIGHT be ahead. UTG bets 1/3 pot, I think the price is right, I call, MP2 calls. Pot is $420.

Turn is 3. Full house!! I am only behind to the pocket pairs now! UTG bets 1/3 pot again, I call because the pot is big, MP2 calls as well. Pot now $840.

River is a 4 for a 33434 board. In too deep now, UTG bets 1/3 pot again, I call, but MP2 folds.

Questions:

Would you lay down a pocket pair to a minraise, especially with the blinds so low? I went in just looking for the set, remember....

How often would you feel you had the best hand on the turn given the action? Should I have been more aggressive? I feel like on this hand I never really got out of the "try to hit your card for cheap" mentality....but I wasn't sold on the strength of my cards.

How often do you throw away a made full house?

What would the best line be given the fact I chose to play the hand? (I know, fold preflop...)

I will post results after some feedback...

Thanks for the help!!

[zenbitz]

preflop call is OK.
Why call the flop? You have an incredibly vulnerable 'hand', with 90% of the deck being an overcard to your pair. Also, you still only have 2 outs to anything that can beat a bluff.

1/3rd pot on the flop (not to mention turn) is weak. Is it weak-weak or weak-strong? Only one way to find out - raise. I will sometimes raise a weak flop bet with air, so 55 is substaintally better than that. You will have to raise it pretty big though, because a min/raise is too easy to be called by overcards. Any everything is overcards.

You just need to know if he has a pair or not, and if he's going to stick with it. If my raise is called, I am done with the hand unless I fill up.

Let me guess... he has AA.

[GatorJH]

I agree with Zen in that you needed to raise his bet on the flop to really see where you stand in the hand. With two other players in the hand, especially this early in the tournament, there is a good chance that you are already behind. In fact I wouldn't be suprised to see one of them turn over AA-JJ or even A3s.

I would have raised the flop bet and if I get re-raised, or even called, I am done with the hand unless I improve.

[konahead]

yeah - UTG flop bet of 1/3 pot was what - around 70 into a pot of 210?

You needed to raise it to 250 right there. See if he likes his hand. If he smooth calls or reraises, you can pretty much count on him having a pp, and it's bound to be bigger than yours (or he has A3/A4). But raising him on the flop may slow him down on his bets, and could end up being cheaper than continually callling his 1/3 pot bets. If you raise the flop on him, and he still bets the turn same as the flop, just get out.

Of course, he probably had A3 or A4 and overvalued it preflop, then loved the flop..... (this is, after all, a $5.50). Or he had a high pp.

He obviously wasn't trying to get any folds w 1/3 pot bets. That should be a clue to you in the future.

[cardsman1992]

He had K4 off suit He raised that UTG!!! And then bet the flop and the turn. If you were him, wouldn't you think your hand was vulnerable on the flop too?

I thought after the hand I should have been more aggressive....

Thanks for the input guys!

[kingnat]

I thought after the hand I should have been more aggressive....

Unless you count calling as some form of aggression.... you can't be MORE aggressive here, since you couldn't have been less agressive if you tried. Any tiny scrap of aggression in this hand would've put this guy into at LEAST check-call mode. You probably still would've lost the hand. But I just want to make sure you realize that you couldn't have played this hand more passively. So make sure that if you are in a pot that you are at least somewhat aggressive... than ramp up the aggression as the situation dictates.

Reading through your hand history was like watching a car wreck... I called... I called... I called... yuck.

[kingnat]

Just to emphasize the point... I'll eliminate some of the less important information about this hand.

....I call.... I call.....I call..... I call....

I can think of precious few hands where this might be ok.. but mostly it's such as flopping a monster letting your opponent bet away, and then as you are about to drop the hammer on the river... that ONE miracle card that MIGHT have helped out your opponent hits and you call for fear of suddently being broken. Or if you hit the monster and the final call is for all your chips. Very, very few instances...

[Trikflow77]

I know I screwed this hand up top to bottom. Just wanted to get some feedback...

Okay, let me set the scene....

2nd hand, $5.50 SNG, blinds 10/20, stacks of those involved around 1500.

Dealt 55 UTG+1

UTG minraises, I call, fully intending to play for set value only. MP2 calls, blinds fold. Pot is $210.

Flop is 334 rainbow. Not what I was looking for but not exactly a horrible flop for me. I know I am behind to any pocket pair except 2's, and A2 and A5 are on 4 out draws now. But I expected a pocket pair to raise more than minimum, or to re-raise, so I thought I MIGHT be ahead. UTG bets 1/3 pot, I think the price is right, I call, MP2 calls. Pot is $420.

Turn is 3. Full house!! I am only behind to the pocket pairs now! UTG bets 1/3 pot again, I call because the pot is big, MP2 calls as well. Pot now $840.

River is a 4 for a 33434 board. In too deep now, UTG bets 1/3 pot again, I call, but MP2 folds.

Questions:

Would you lay down a pocket pair to a minraise, especially with the blinds so low? I went in just looking for the set, remember....

How often would you feel you had the best hand on the turn given the action? Should I have been more aggressive? I feel like on this hand I never really got out of the "try to hit your card for cheap" mentality....but I wasn't sold on the strength of my cards.

How often do you throw away a made full house?

What would the best line be given the fact I chose to play the hand? (I know, fold preflop...)

I will post results after some feedback...

Thanks for the help!!

Many people will fire a shot on the flop and check on the turn. If....and I mean If i call on the flop and they fire into be again on the turn, i fold. Most players wont fire 2 c bets into you. How would i have played this hand? I would have raised the flop and found out really quick if he is on overs......the way you played it you dont get much info on his hand.........