TT - first hand

[Fimanoid]

First hand of $5 2-table SNG. Bigger raise or all-in on the flop?


PokerStars Game #3813616728: Tournament #18940156, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/01/31 - 00:31:13 (ET)
Table '18940156 2' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: pocket bobby (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Iggydude (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: freehillman1 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: fimanoid (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: EnLiStEdPuNk (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: wright's con (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: dgb6155 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: tempoboy (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: mav1354 (1500 in chips)
Iggydude: posts small blind 10
freehillman1: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fimanoid [Ts Tc]
fimanoid: calls 20
EnLiStEdPuNk: folds
wright's con: calls 20
dgb6155: folds
tempoboy: folds
mav1354: folds
pocket bobby: folds
Iggydude: calls 10
freehillman1: raises 20 to 40
fimanoid: calls 20
wright's con: calls 20
Iggydude: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [Td 9s 8d]
Iggydude: bets 60
freehillman1: calls 60
fimanoid: raises 290 to 350
wright's con: calls 350
Iggydude: calls 290
freehillman1: calls 290
*** TURN *** [Td 9s 8d] [7h]
pocket bobby said, "all in"
Iggydude: checks
freehillman1: bets 1110 and is all-in
fimanoid: folds
wright's con: folds
Iggydude: folds
freehillman1 collected 1560 from pot
freehillman1: shows [Jd Ah] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1560 | Rake 0
Board [Td 9s 8d Td 9s 8d 7h]
Seat 1: pocket bobby (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Iggydude (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: freehillman1 (big blind) collected (1560)
Seat 4: fimanoid folded on the Turn
Seat 5: EnLiStEdPuNk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: wright's con folded on the Turn
Seat 7: dgb6155 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: tempoboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mav1354 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[WildBobAA]

I think you played it good. There's no way you're going to get a donk to lay down an OESD in a $5.

[outphase]

good laydown

[bluey]

I had a similar type of deal last night with my JJ losing to a TT making a straight on the river. Except in my case I called the bet on the end, but it was much smaller by then. You should be happy people play like that, it is how you make money. Or at least thats what they tell me.

[konahead]

well, the fact that you didnt lose all your chips means you played it well. You did have 11 outs (any 7, 8, 9, or T), so you would have been getting the right odds if he had bet ~400, but not even close with the push. Thats too bad. nh. wp.

what's funny is that out of all the opps, freehillman1 (the winner) was the only one getting the right odds to call on the flop, since 2 opps had called your flop raise before him - giving him 4.4-1 odds to call with his straight draw (although the implied odds for the inevitable flush draws were there for the other two opps.....)

I think you could have gotten them all to fold on the flop if you had 2xpot bet or pushed, but thats easy to say having seen the results. People love to play QJ, so for all you knew, you were already beat. It's just too bad you couldn't have seen the river card cheaper....

[TyFuji]

well, the fact that you didnt lose all your chips means you played it well. You did have 11 outs (any 7, 8, 9, or T), so you would have been getting the right odds if he had bet ~400, but not even close with the push. Thats too bad. nh. wp.

what's funny is that out of all the opps, freehillman1 (the winner) was the only one getting the right odds to call on the flop, since 2 opps had called your flop raise before him - giving him 4.4-1 odds to call with his straight draw (although the implied odds for the inevitable flush draws were there for the other two opps.....)

I think you could have gotten them all to fold on the flop if you had 2xpot bet or pushed, but thats easy to say having seen the results. People love to play QJ, so for all you knew, you were already beat. It's just too bad you couldn't have seen the river card cheaper....

3 Jacks to split, too , right?

[konahead]

tru - but not if opp has QJ, so I don't think you can count Js as outs... My assumption is hero has to fill his boat to win this hand....

[gabe]

raise more preflop or don't raise at all.

[Fimanoid]

raise more preflop or don't raise at all.

I didn't raise preflop at all, and called the minraise to hit my set. I was out of position and looking to hit the set or get out. I think it's too early (first hand) to start splashing on the unknown table.

[aleksandr]

I think you still count the Js as half-outs, so 12.5

Pokerstove:
Ah Jh 31 70.45 10 22.73 3 6.82 0.739
Td Th 10 22.73 31 70.45 3 6.82 0.261

That's about 1.83:1 if I'm not mistaken, not bad odds at all.

freehillman1: bets 1110 and is all-in
freehillman1 collected 1560 from pot
Final Pot would be 2670 : 1110 to call = 2.4:1

Easy call, or does perserverance overwhelm these odds? I say take it, you accumulate a massive stack that will likely carry you through the bubble 1/3 of the time to the money and often to first.

Also, reraise TT preflop from the big blind: you have a good edge over a good number of minraising hands, and you might've folded that AJ. Also that'll give you a read on how they'll respond to a reraise later in the tourney.

[konahead]

as you said, odds to call are 2.4-1

odds to hit 12.5 outs with 1 card to come is 2.68-1
odds to hit 11 outs with 1 card to come is 3.2-1

so if you believe the Js are 1/2 out each, you just barely have the right odds. If you don't believe the Js are outs - and I wouldn't count them - then you're not getting the right odds to call (although it's not that far off.)

plus you have to look at it as a survival issue - do you want to risk your entire tourney at the 10/20 blind level on a draw with a 30% success rate, even if you're getting the right odds? If you were getting 5-1 on a 4-1 draw, maybe - but just barely getting the right odds?