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  1. #1

    Default Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands

    Haven't been playing as much due to work;but I wanted to seek some feedback.



    These are my basic stats.I've been told my PFR needed to be higher,and that my won at showdown was too high.Been trying to utilize the overcall/river call system nside talked about with the 4 grids;so far with mixed results.My PFR has been going up a little;although I am still not fully comfortable raising certain hands first in esp against the wrong opponents.I've been able to improve on not overplaying hands that miss the flop though as well as not ramming and jamming my draws as much when I don't have the pot equity.

    For positives I would say my VP$IP;preflop play is one of my strengths,as well as knowing when to get out on the turn usually.When I do call down I usually lose the minimum;my opponents would probably agree they extract less from me than they would from a maniac or a fish.PT has graded me as a TAG even though the results don't show it yet.I have also made improvements on getting off missed overs sooner,and laying down my PP's when overs flop and there is heavy action on the flop or turn.

    For weaknesses def my PFR I need to work on,defending the blinds a bit more,perhaps blind steal a little more often,and changing gears a bit more.I've noticed that after a while the table does seem to pick up on my play and even the weaker live ones will tend to fold or go into check call down mode against me much more than the other players.Will need to work on countering their hand reading abilities.





    These are the other stats.My aggression factor is 3.29 which may or may not be too high I guess depending on the table dynamics.My PFR as seen earlier is 5.37 overall;with 7.00 at the most recent run of .15/.30 hands.I do not feel I would be mistaken for a maniac by most players.My VP$IP is 19.96 overall;with a 24.15 at the .15/.30 level.Some of it has been more playable hands in MP or LP due to limpers/passive tables.I have made it a point to no longer limp with marginal speculative hands in EP without a proper read on the table(examples that used to bleed me were AJo/KQo/QJs/KTs/QTs/Any Axs less than A9s).



    These are my position stats.Obviously I seem to do well in Seat 1 or the Button;the blinds unfortunatly are a huge killer.Oftentimes my holding is too weak to call against the rocks raising;and some are so bad even a maniac or fish raising means fold city.Perhaps too weak;I've been told I don't defend enough from the SB(BB I usually defend unless it's been 2-bet or an absolute rock raised).



    This was my progress at the PR .25/.50 tables which included a huge rush near the end.Recently most of my play had been at .15/.30 because I felt like I still had alot of work to do.Although the rake is a killer I didn't feel that I had earned the right to play .50/1 and 1/2 again.



    This is where it gets scary.At one point through the stretch I was up a whopping 115BB nearly;then it dropped to roughly 100BB,then 75-80BB,until now it is barely above 15BB.Some of it was me trying out my friends advice(unless he plays primarily live NL tourneys;however he scored higher on the poker quiz then I did(in fact the quiz graded him as Skilled whereas I only received Reliable,and his final winnings at the end of the quiz were much larger too).This horrible downswing had me questioning my abilities and future with the game again(my parents and family certainly didn't help the cause for encouragement).

    Any and all thoughts/critiques are welcome.I want everyone to know that while I do want to have fun and enjoy the game I take it seriously and want to be the best that I can be session in and session out.Call it competitive fun;but it sees like I've hit a plateu where I'm not improving quickly enough and the competition is still fierce.Thanks guys.
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    Most of these stats seem fine to me, maybe raise a few more hands in late position to get the button against limpers or steal the blinds, but everything else seem in order.

    It does seem like the blinds are your biggest weakness. How do you genrally play draws, 2nd pair, TPNK or 2 pair post flop in these positions?
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    How do I make that graph with PT?
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    "Some of it was me trying out my friends advice(unless he plays primarily live NL tourneys;however he scored higher on the poker quiz then I did(in fact the quiz graded him as Skilled whereas I only received Reliable,and his final winnings at the end of the quiz were much larger too).This horrible downswing had me questioning my abilities and future with the game again(my parents and family certainly didn't help the cause for encouragement). "

    I have no opinion on all the stats. It seems to be an incomplete picture. If you are using your stats to monitor your PLAN and EXECUTION of poker then great. If you are using your stats as a basis for bouncing around and trying different things then it's probably not as good. I've never owned PT so I don't know anything about that.

    But I wanted to comment on the quote above.
    Online micro limit and micro NL are Not anything close to live mtt play. Your friend is trying to help, i'm sure, but unless he is taking into consideration the game your playing, and has watched you play and the table dynamics, then be willing to judge the advice for yourself and not take it blindly.

    I, personally, would Never give anyone advice on how to play Limit. Because I haven't played it in years. My skills are directed toward NL ring at the moment. And I'm not on the limit tables - seeing what mistakes players are most making that can be capitalized on. You see what I'm saying?

    Anyway, GL.

    There are 4 stages to becoming skilled at anything.
    1. Unconscious Incompetence
    2. Conscious Incompetence
    3. Conscious Competence
    4. Unconscious Competence

    I would say you're at 2.5 - WHICH IS GOOD. You just need to keep working at it and playing lots of hands. I have averaged 20k hands PER month - month after month after month. So just have some patience and it will come.
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    Aok (or anyone else), how many hands would you suggest playing daily/weekly/monthly to make consistent improvement?
    Currently at UB playing $50 NLHE 6max.
    Bankroll: ~$1900 (Almost BR'ed for 100NL.)
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    The number of hands doesn't matter if you aren't reviewing them and trying to learn soemthing from them.

    I don't think setting limits is a good idea because some people can quickly learn to multi-table while others can only play effectively at one table at a time.

    Don't worry too much about the number of hands. Just play lots and always try to keep learning.
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    Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond;I really appreciate it.If I never get anything else out of poker I'll be glad to have been able to be a member of a forum where people were willing to devote time out of their busy schedule to offer advice to another player.If I ever hit it big in life I'll pay you guys back.
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    Ok, you're a hockey fan, so I'll cut you some slack and ask this as nicely as I can: do you really expect us to wade through 4 screens (and I'm on a Dell 2001FP...it'd be 6 screens on my laptop) of trainwreck for you, just to affirm what you clearly already know? You're too passive preflop and weak-tight postflop. And, yeah, that's obvious from a cursory glance at what you've provided. (And, not for nothing, graphs of winnings are completely useless.)

    Read hands. Respond to hands. Post (a few) of your own. Read those responses. Repeat. Get better. Win $$$. Buy a new girlfriend. Enjoy life.

    Stats are the snapshot of the story, they don't tell the story.
    Feedback I received from someone else;I guess it tells the story trully.

    Conclusion: you play extremely weak-tight. Stick around and we'll beat it out of ya, albiet painfully.
    I want you guys to the same-please beat it out of me no matter how painful short of Darth Vadar burn/maim injury degree.
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    how do you make those graphs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T.M
    how do you make those graphs?
    try this
    http://www.pokerpatterns.com/
    There are others
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    You are a folding machine.
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    how do you make those graphs?
    In PokerGrapher you can graph your BB/100 and then right click Save As.Then post in Imageshack(google for the link).
  13. #13
    play NL

    u've only played 40 hands of it and it seems as if you've been here for very very long trying to find a way to win at limit and still not quite there.

    I would say NL is an easier game to beat. You have the fundamentals from limit pay which can be adapted to NL full ring. it's better for clearing bonuses anyway.
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    I would say NL is an easier game to beat. You have the fundamentals from limit pay which can be adapted to NL full ring. it's better for clearing bonuses anyway.
    Funny you should mention that;I actually played some NL25 last night and managed to leave up $25ish so I guess that was good for a short term psychological booster.I guess I just needed a break from the limit grind.

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