unfortunate fold

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[mb2447]

thats rough.

[Leckbandit]

So you're saying you basically always call with a hand like this just because of odds? Seems like a waste of chips to me.

BTW: I already read your MTT guide.

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[Rondavu]

This has been a very powerful addition to my arsenal. Calling with a wide range when odds are shipped my way.

[AHiltz]

That is rough. I only ever click the fold box now before my turn if I hold complete garbage.

[Stripclubjunkie]

How good pot odds do i need preflop to call with suited connectors?

[drmcboy]

junkie - the key is your implied odds. As rippy says he's putting in less than 5 % of his big stack and is going to be in a pot with lots of other bigs stacks to pay him off when he hits.

If it had just been the orignal raiser in the pot and the other limpers had folded, typically Rippy should also fold, because he won't get paid enough when he makes his hand.

[mcatdog]

Also it's important that the other people in the pot be bad players. If they won't pay you off when you hit your hand, pot odds don't mean shit. However your average low-limit online player will certainly pay off a straight if he has top pair or an overpair.

[STIdrivr]

ya i dont click those boxes anymore

[zenbitz]

With suited connectors you want at least 5:1 for pot odds (odds of flopping a strong draw or better ~20%) , and probabably 20:1 implied odds

Ripp was a little short here of implied odds since the stacks opposing him were so small... but he's big stack so he can actually play any all-low flop, plus he can call a reasonable bet or flat out push with a draw.

[Stripclubjunkie]

Thx for explaining...

Strip

[ohiostate]

I think that the big part for Ripp, because he is the big stack, is to make sure to get his chips in the pot as much as possible and to put himself in the position to lean on the other players with his big stack. Leaning will help loosen up the small stacks and make them feel more pressured to make a move. This is a big part of tournament play that doesnt apply for cash games. The more stack you have the more you can loosen up your play, to a certain extent.

Ripp, that was very unfortunate, hopefully thats not the only straight flush you see for awhile.

[siknd]

hes always the big stack. how do you think he gets the big stack in the first place? im guessing its by seeing a few flops.

[Leckbandit]

Leckbandit

perhaps you arent familiar with a term known as 'implied odds'

A: I had a 21,000 chip stack
B: it was 1000 to call (less than 5% of my stack)
C: there were 3 in the pot before me and I had suited connectors

A call here is perfectly appropriate under the circumstances in this particular situation and I didn't have a chance to unclick the fold button in time when I saw 2 other callers come in otherwise I call here all day long

I see that you are obviously right, i should start making calls like this more often. I think I tighten up too much in the later stages of MTTs. I always feel like I'm going to need all my chips for that one hand when I can double up.