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    Default What do you guys think of this hand? (Live)

    Live 1/2 NL. 10 players. Villain is LAG and has been making moves all night.

    I have about $160, villain has $400'ish.

    Dealt AK off suit

    Folded to me in MP, I raise to 12

    Villain is on button and raises to 24.

    I call.

    Flop: A35 rainbow Pot: $37 after rake.

    I bet $15, villain raises to 40.

    I wait a while and min-raise

    Villain instantly pushes all-in, I instantly call.

    What do you guys think?
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    Looks fine, I probably would just call the flop raise and let him burry himself on the turn.

    Given the amount of money going in pre-flop and opponent profile, I can't see how you can lay this down.

    edit: I count about $45ish in the pot after rake. $15 is a kinda weak bet, but I guess it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Looks fine, I probably would just call the flop raise and let him burry himself on the turn.

    Given the amount of money going in pre-flop and opponent profile, I can't see how you can lay this down.

    edit: I count about $45ish in the pot after rake. $15 is a kinda weak bet, but I guess it works.
    12+24+blinds?

    15 was a weak bet, he's a solid player and has been pushing a lot of people off their mediocre hands when he has had a high card. I was tyring to think outside of the box a little bit, thinking he would try and push me off of something like AJ/AQ. That's why I only min-raised afterwards as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mxiu
    12+24+blinds?
    24 + 24 + blinds - rake

    Quote Originally Posted by mxiu
    15 was a weak bet, he's a solid player and has been pushing a lot of people off their mediocre hands when he has had a high card. I was tyring to think outside of the box a little bit, thinking he would try and push me off of something like AJ/AQ.
    Yeah, it's a reasonable play in this spot, it really depends on the details of his MO. Attention to details pays off here.

    Quote Originally Posted by mxiu
    That's why I only min-raised afterwards as well.
    If he is a good hand reader, the weak bet + min-3-bet should tip him off to your strength.
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    One more hand, since you're already here Fnord.

    I'm on BB with 86s. ($350 or so)

    UTG raises to 7, 3 callers, I call.

    Flop: Ts 5s 6x

    I check, UTG checks, Villain (Same one as before, $300 or so) bets 20, 2 folds, Villain 2 (in CO, the guy can't lay down TPTK, sitting with 320) calls, I raise to 80, UTG folds, other 2 call.

    Turn: Ac

    I check, villain 1 bets all in, villain 2 calls. Hero...?
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    Oops, I apparently can't do math.
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    If the game is that good, don't go nutzo here with lots of money behind. Just check/call the flop and get paid when you hit.

    With less money behind, being all-in here is good.

    Raising a lot of money out of position with a fair amount behind is bad because you'll end up in bad turn spots more often than not (since you're a favorite after 2 cards, not 1.)

    Hence if I was going to raise, it would be to something like $120 and I would practially just push the turn in the dark.
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    Any other opinions?
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    agree, raising out of position to less than all of your stack is horrible. Also, raising to all of your stack is horrible. Also, calling with 68 out of position is horrible. Congrats on the first hand though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    Also, calling with 68 out of position is horrible.
    Pre-flop is anything but horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    Also, calling with 68 out of position is horrible.
    Pre-flop is anything but horrible.
    why....having this hand in position facing a small raise is five times better than having this hand out of position against a small raise. A 5$ raise here is not indicative of a hand like AA-KK that you can stack regardless of position if you hit...

    i say horrible
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    why....having this hand in position facing a small raise is five times better than having this hand out of position against a small raise. A 5$ raise here is not indicative of a hand like AA-KK that you can stack regardless of position if you hit...

    i say horrible
    Deep money, bad players. The call is at worst a small mistake.
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    The rest of that hand:

    Hero calls.

    River: 8x

    Villain 1 shows ATd, villain 2 flips over 65 (we have NO idea what he was trying to do the whole hand... a real donk).

    Villain 1 takes it down with top 2 pair.
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    First hand, looks like he has Aces up or a set, what did he have?
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    I'll try not to be results oriented, but here are my thoughts. First hand is fine. With 80BB's and TPTK versus this villian you can't ever lay this hand down. However, I think a push preflop is in order here. What do you do if hte flop is rags and you are first to act? For the second hand, I agree with Fnord. Preflop call is standard, but just call the flop. If you CR and get called and miss, it puts you in a horrible spot being first to act on the turn, especially given the amount of money you have behind compared to the pot size, and a pretty weak draw. And I think that the turn is an easy fold. Calling is just throwing away money IMO.
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    Results of the first hand:

    Turn: 3x

    River: 8x

    Opponent told me he had garbage, but didn't show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
    I'll try not to be results oriented, but here are my thoughts. First hand is fine. With 80BB's and TPTK versus this villian you can't ever lay this hand down. However, I think a push preflop is in order here. What do you do if hte flop is rags and you are first to act? For the second hand, I agree with Fnord. Preflop call is standard, but just call the flop. If you CR and get called and miss, it puts you in a horrible spot being first to act on the turn, especially given the amount of money you have behind compared to the pot size, and a pretty weak draw. And I think that the turn is an easy fold. Calling is just throwing away money IMO.
    I didn't like it, but I thought I had pot odds to call. $170 into about $600. However, that includes 5 outs I'm not sure are live. (three 8's and two 6's)
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    I call with 68s (preflop) in that spot all day. I don't raise the flop however. I just don't see the fold equity against a loose table unless you committ yourself. Odds are good. Allow them to bless you.
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    Thanks for the replies everyone.
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    I did not realize how horrible they were........
    in this situation almost every hand becomes playable
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