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  1. #1

    Default line check A9o late

    This is an $11 sng. I have definitely been aggressive but I have folded to aggression for certain opps.

    This table is generally tight/weak. A lot of folding around to the blinds.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

    Hero (t2155)
    SB (t1080)
    BB (t2510)
    UTG (t2730)
    MP1 (t1485)
    MP2 (t1215)
    CO (t2325)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 9.
    1 fold, MP1 calls t100, 2 folds, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, MP1 calls t200.

    Flop: (t750) 8, 6, 2 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets t400, MP1 raises to t1185, Hero calls t785.

    Turn: (t3120) J (2 players)

    River: (t3120) 6 (2 players)

    Final Pot: t3120
    BR: $.1k
    Goal 2: July 1 $10k

    IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?

    you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....

  2. #2
    I don't really like your call of the CR on the flop. Your second overcard isn't very high at all. You're also nowhere near pot committed for your stack.
  3. #3
    I am guessing villain has a PP...you have 6 outs and 3:1 odds on your money after the CR....fold.
  4. #4
    If the table is weak/tight, a check/raise probably means ace high is no good.
    pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
    1. overvaluing mid pocket pairs
    2. knowing you should fold, but donkishly calling or raising anyway
  5. #5
    Ya my line here is check/fold the flop. Also, I probably don't raise this PF with a limper, even on the button - as others have said, if the table is tight the limper probably has a hand. I agree with dj newman that the limper probably had a pocket pair, made his set on the flop and check-raised all in to price out the flush draw.
  6. #6
    I guess I thought this:
    1. 3:1 odds, ya they dont matter if I beat
    2. I've been folding to raises like this all day, so he might not have anything.
    3. If I fold here, they are never going to respect my raises.
    4. The differnce between 1400 chips if I fold and 700 if I call and lose is a lot but if I am folding to reraises when I try to steal a blind I'll get pushed around. And after one failed steal attempt I'm pushing preflop just as I would be with 700.

    Basicly I had been getting pushed around all day on this table and others. I dont know why. I think that sorta tilted me.
    BR: $.1k
    Goal 2: July 1 $10k

    IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?

    you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....

  7. #7
    If you're gonna raise with a limper make it atleast 3x + their limp. Most are gonna call the 200 like it's nothing.

    You can only make a call like this with a pretty damn good read. Just because everyone has been picking off your c-bets all day doesn't mean this is one of them unless u know something.
    pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
    1. overvaluing mid pocket pairs
    2. knowing you should fold, but donkishly calling or raising anyway
  8. #8
    I think you played it way too loosely
    I would limp preflop, but I can justify the raise. Your c-bet was OK, but I think you have to fold to the push


  9. #9

    Default Re: line check A9o late

    Quote Originally Posted by bluey
    This is an $11 sng. I have definitely been aggressive but I have folded to aggression for certain opps.

    This table is generally tight/weak. A lot of folding around to the blinds.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

    Hero (t2155)
    SB (t1080)
    BB (t2510)
    UTG (t2730)
    MP1 (t1485)
    MP2 (t1215)
    CO (t2325)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 9.
    1 fold, MP1 calls t100, 2 folds, Hero raises to t300, 2 folds, MP1 calls t200.

    Flop: (t750) 8, 6, 2 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets t400, MP1 raises to t1185, Hero calls t785.

    Turn: (t3120) J (2 players)

    River: (t3120) 6 (2 players)

    Final Pot: t3120
    he has T6 diamonds
    u should fold.
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by bluey
    I guess I thought this:
    1. 3:1 odds, ya they dont matter if I beat
    2. I've been folding to raises like this all day, so he might not have anything.
    3. If I fold here, they are never going to respect my raises.
    4. The differnce between 1400 chips if I fold and 700 if I call and lose is a lot but if I am folding to reraises when I try to steal a blind I'll get pushed around. And after one failed steal attempt I'm pushing preflop just as I would be with 700.

    Basicly I had been getting pushed around all day on this table and others. I dont know why. I think that sorta tilted me.


    This sounds like tilt to me....especially the part about getting pushed around all day on this table and others. What do other tables have to do with this one? If you don't want to be pushed around....quit making preflop raises and continuation bets with cards that you really shouldn't....especially when the raise is 1/7 of your stack. You are not going to steal anything here with that raise preflop...so before you raise realize that this is a $700 steal and and not a $300 steal. Quit thinking every donk/fish can see into your soul and see weakness and realize that he probably has a hand. Be more patient.
  11. #11

    Default Re: line check A9o late

    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    he has T6 diamonds
    u should fold.
    Haha are you serious? Limping from EP and then calling a raise you think he has T6s?


    Anyway heres the results, if they matter.

    Results in white below:
    MP1 has Kd Th (one pair, sixes).
    Hero has Ad 9s (one pair, sixes).
    Outcome: Hero wins t3120.
    BR: $.1k
    Goal 2: July 1 $10k

    IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?

    you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....

  12. #12
    Why don't I get donks like that in the $11 tourneys that I play?

    Regardless of the results, IMO it was still a bad call. As others have said, unless you have a rock-solid read that opp is a total donk, no way I'm risking half my remaining stack here. Even 72o has you beat here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluey
    I guess I thought this:
    1. 3:1 odds, ya they dont matter if I beat
    2. I've been folding to raises like this all day, so he might not have anything.
    3. If I fold here, they are never going to respect my raises.
    4. The differnce between 1400 chips if I fold and 700 if I call and lose is a lot but if I am folding to reraises when I try to steal a blind I'll get pushed around. And after one failed steal attempt I'm pushing preflop just as I would be with 700.
    1) ummm, so don't call
    2) Reasonable argument, but do you think he has nothing (read?)?
    3) Not a good reason to call
    4) The difference is you can fold for 3 orbits and still have ~10BB vs. insta push every 'fold around to me'

    I make this call because of 2, 3, then regret it later. But, for 3 you can just start pushing because that minimizes the respect factor.
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