25nl two hands

[Greedo017]

***** Hand History for Game 3567473713 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, February 17, 04:46:43 ET 2006
Table Aeolia (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Wahoo2006 ( $44.95 )
Seat 2: P_A_I_N ( $37.54 )
Seat 5: KCRIDAZ420 ( $31.20 )
Seat 6: SalkinE ( $23.75 )
Seat 4: msfutbol17 ( $32.43 )
P_A_I_N posts small blind [$0.10].
msfutbol17 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Ts Td ]
frozi has joined the table.
KCRIDAZ420 folds.
SalkinE folds.
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
P_A_I_N calls [$0.90].
msfutbol17 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 8s, Jd ]
P_A_I_N checks.
Wahoo2006 bets [$1.50].
P_A_I_N calls [$1.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
P_A_I_N checks.
Wahoo2006 bets [$4].
P_A_I_N raises [$10.15].
Wahoo2006 calls [$6.15].
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
P_A_I_N is all-In.
Wahoo2006 calls [$24.89].

***** Hand History for Game 3567464172 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, February 17, 04:43:17 ET 2006
Table Ethiopia (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: kingtmac ( $44.18 )
Seat 4: Absolute114 ( $27.98 )
Seat 6: Wahoo2006 ( $43 )
Seat 3: trebortrams ( $28.30 )
trebortrams posts small blind [$0.10].
Absolute114 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ 9h As ]
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
kingtmac calls [$1].
trebortrams calls [$0.90].
Absolute114 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, Js, 9s ]
trebortrams checks.
Wahoo2006 bets [$3].
kingtmac calls [$3].
trebortrams folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$5].
kingtmac calls [$5].
** Dealing River ** [ 8s ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$12].
kingtmac is all-In.
Wahoo2006 is all-In. <-- $22

Ok, i'm mainly asking, what would you do on each of the rivers, but also would you have done anything differently up to that point. Both of these people are generally decent though nothing special.

[Robert]

I like them all.

When you say decent, do you mean tight aggressive or what?

[Seasider]

I play them both the same throuought, but feel slightly woozy looking at them, paird boards have been very unkind to me of late. Especially the first hand, people call a raise with J10s in my experiance and he really seemed to like that 10 and wasnt letting you check behind on the river....

Second hand a full house probably value bets river and tries to smoke the flush into raising, he prob has the Ks Qs?

[Greedo017]

by decent I mainly mean not an idiot post flop, aka its likely they wouldn't do this without a real hand.

[r8ed]

Looks good to me. Reload if beat.

[Greedo017]

ok, just needed to be reassured. I liked those calls, but I had monster warning bells going off in my head and the river bets i was calling were 100bb's so i didn't know if maybe I should've considered folding a little more.

[Fnord]

Hand 1: Sometimes I check that flop. It scares people who've played with me a little more than a bet would.

Hand 2: I can't comment on this hand without a read. 4 handed there is nothing auto-pilot about this hand.

[Greedo017]

hand 1: noted

hand 2: as for reads i'd only played 2o hands with him, to that point he'd played like 4 hands and never raised preflop, i was ultra-aggro (i usually am 35/20).

If in hand 2 you say call, why? what am i beating?

[Fnord]

If in hand 2 you say call, why? what am i beating?

I didn't and a fair range. The bigger question is what do we want to do on the river? A big river bet + call doesn't seem optimal to me. There is a good chance it's the worst possible line. This is where reads really become key.

[Greedo017]

so what do you recommend? After the turn I can see him having a 9 or lower flush, I feel like checking is incorrect because i'm missing a value bet because most but a high flush/full house would check behind. I guess betting smaller on the river to get a call from more might be better, but i'm still in the same dilemma if he pushes?