Big pairs with an ace on the flop (PS $10)

[taipan168]

How do you play these? Is it worth taking the risk of throwing out a c-bet when you've been reraised PF (or had a reraise called) early in the tourney and there are two active players in front of you or is it basically check/fold?

I feel like I'm making the wrong decisions here...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB (t920)
UTG (t1480)
Hero (t1470)
MP1 (t1430)
MP2 (t1070)
MP3 (t1840)
CO (t1780)
Button (t2140)
SB (t1370)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J, J.
UTG calls t20, Hero raises to t100, MP1 calls t100, 3 folds, Button raises to t200, 2 folds, UTG folds, Hero calls t100, MP1 calls t100.

Flop: (t650) T, A, T (3 players)
Hero ?????

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t1380)
SB (t1380)
Hero (t1270)
UTG (t1230)
UTG+1 (t1070)
MP1 (t1840)
MP2 (t1780)
MP3 (t2430)
CO (t1120)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t60, 3 folds, CO calls t60, 2 folds, Hero raises to t300, UTG+1 calls t240, CO calls t240.

Flop: (t910) A, 3, 6 (3 players)
Hero ?????

[Aplomado]

Dontcha just hate that?

It's a very tough spot to be stuck in, with a big pocket pair, an Ace on the flop and being completely out of position. The problem with throwing out a continuation bet is that it's just too expensive with so many callers, and quite frankly one of them is likely to have an Ace if they're calling that kind of preflop raise. Personally I would check/fold in both situations with so little invested and it being so early in the tourney - otherwise I think you're just leaking away a lot of chips in what is typically a losing situation.

[taipan168]

Would anybody throw out a 400 bet on the flop with the JJ hand? Still leaves me with 1000 behind at 10/20 blinds. If it's called or raised, I can slow down or throw the hand away. Or does that just look weak, inviting somebody to come over the top?

[daluchy]

Hand 1: JJ doesn't look too good after you got reraised pre-flop + many callers. You lose to any Ax/KK/QQ/1010/any 10x. I'd check/fold.

Hand 2 is a little tougher. Unless someone's been loose you're looking at Ax and/or another PP your up aganist. Maybe the reraise is a bit strong as 15x BB raise. I think 200 would have done the same trick and you aren't as committed to this pot where you can check/fold.

[aleksandr]

I think you're check/folding here both times. They made a mistake by calling your bet preflop, so just take those imaginary chips and let this one go. QQ is a bit rougher of course, because can lose or win alot of chips on this hand, but I think most calling hands here are ahead of you and will not lay down to a represented continuation bet.

[donkbee]

Because it's early, you didn't manage to isolate, and I'm assuming you lack reads, you've gotta check/fold both hands on the flop. If you were HU, I might consider c-betting either hand, but I don't think I would ever c-bet with more than one other person in the pot.

I actually would probably just limp the JJ in the first hand and see if I can hit a set or low cards on the flop. It's so early in the tourney and you're OOP which really sucks; I'd rather not invest too much in this particular pot.

I agree that a raise to 300 in the second hand is a bit too much.

[Blinky]

Any reads?

Hand No 1 is a check/fold IMO. Multiway pot and you were reraised. Let this one go. (BTW, I'd probably raise a bit less than 100 here - maybe just 80 - or if I was feeling really wussy, just play for set value).

no. 2 - preflop reraise is excessive. Even if there's only one caller any decent cbet is going to commit you to the pot.

I'd be more inclined to reraise 150 tops. If everything else is the same, I'd throw out a stab at the pot on the flop wiht a cbet.

[Rockymv]

Check/fold both of them. You're mostly likely behind in both and you're not going to be able to push them off.

[taipan168]

Thanks for the feedback, I check-folded them both. On the JJ hand, the button bet 200 - I thought of raising him to 600 but ended up dumping it because it looked too much like a value bet to me. On the QQ hand, CO pushed so I folded.

Interesting that the consensus is that I shouldn't have re-raised so much with QQ - my thought process was that if I had just one raiser I would have made it 180-200 to go, but the caller worried me and I really wanted to get HU.