Pot odds-based shortstack call?

[Blinky]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t508)
SB (t6790)
Hero (t906)
UTG (t3041)
MP (t3045)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 5.
2 folds, Button raises to t508, SB calls t433[/color]...

My cards are probably live and I'm shortstacked. Is it correct to fold my big blind here?

[Aplomado]

With SB's stack he could literally be calling with anything. Also, as long as you beat SB, you'll still have chips left after the push.

You've already got $150 of your own money in the pot, and folding will leave you with 4.5xBB after the SB hits you, so I really don't see any other option besides pushing here.

[Scuba Chuck]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t508)
SB (t6790)
Hero (t906)
UTG (t3041)
MP (t3045)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 5.
2 folds, Button raises to t508, SB calls t433[/color]...

My cards are probably live and I'm shortstacked. Is it correct to fold my big blind here?

The table stacksizes have put you in a tough spot. So, on average, it's tough to make a severely bad decision at this point in the tournament. That being said, calling or folding here is fine.

BTW, if you do decide to play here, calling (not pushing) is correct.

[Blinky]

BTW, if you do decide to play here, calling (not pushing) is correct.

Thanks for the replies.

I don't understand why calling would be preferred over pushing here, though - calling is 1/2 my stack.

Please elaborate.

[nogenius]

BTW, if you do decide to play here, calling (not pushing) is correct.

Thanks for the replies.

I don't understand why calling would be preferred over pushing here, though - calling is 1/2 my stack.

Please elaborate.

It's because you have absolutely no FE preflop, but may have a small amount on the flop.

[swiggidy]

It's because you have absolutely no FE preflop, but may have a small amount on the flop.

So, push any flop with a 7 or a 5, or push any flop period? The later makes sense, but it sucks if the flop is AKT or something.

[bantam222]

i think they mean that by calling half your stack pre-flop with these binds is basically commiting yourseft to the pot no matter what. So if you go all in pre flop the other players arent going to fold becauase they have alot of chips in the middle compaired to your rais.

But if they were to miss the flop compleatly, and you push in, there is a larger chance they will fold

[Aplomado]

BTW, if you do decide to play here, calling (not pushing) is correct.

Interesting. This may be a leak in my game. Would it be different if 1 or 2 of the other guys had yet to play?

[drmcboy]

if one or two were still to act, you wouldn't be in the blinds and wouldn't be getting the price you are, plus you would have a little more time. In that case, you would likely be better off folding here and hoping you get a spot where you could push to open.

[GatorJH]

Personally, I think this is a clear fold.

If the SB had folded I may think a little longer about playing this hand as the button is short stacked and could be playing any two cards. However, the SB has a very dominate chip stack and could decide to push you in on the flop.

Edit: BTW, the fact that the button is already all-in is the reason you should call this and not push should you decide to play. If you push you are creating a side pot with the SB, who has already said he has a hand and would most likely call.

[pgil]

the problem with pushing any flop is that you are pushing into a dry side pot, and you arent first to act on the flop. if the flop completely misses both you and the SB, and you push and he folds, you arent ahead of the original pusher. you will theorectically increase your odds of taking down the pot, but with the SB on the monster stack here, I dont think he's folding pre or post flop. if he will be a good big stack and let you check it down then maybe I can see flat calling preflop, but that doesnt seem likely.
I think a fold would be the worst move in this situation though. you are going to need more than a simple double up to get you into contention for any sort of prize money. you will be down to ~750 from the SB, with little FE against the BB. this is assuming that someone else hasnt already raised it, in which case you are going to showdown from the SB with a random hand. most likely against any A, 44+ or K9+. if you dont go in on the SB, you have ~675, 0 FE, and you will be at a 4 handed table (assuming shorty busts), meaning the blinds will hit you again really soon and decimate you.

[Warpe]

Personally, I think this is a clear fold.

[GatorJH]

Personally, I think this is a clear fold.

Is that a "Yea, what he said" post or should there have been more than that?