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[johnny_fish]

Final 30 or so.. 10 ITM. No read on Villain, generally tight table.

** Game ID 694124667 starting - 2006-02-21 01:56:30

** $6,500 GUARANTEE:Table 3 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (300.00|600.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money

- toddmac sitting in seat 1 with $14387.50
- HolyRo11er sitting in seat 2 with $2585.00 [Dealer]
- shaggydan sitting in seat 3 with $8225.00
- peeeedor sitting in seat 4 with $11957.50
- Eubank sitting in seat 5 with $5220.00
- Nordic-King sitting in seat 6 with $2880.00
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 9 with $2995.00
- Antman1976 sitting in seat 10 with $3945.00

shaggydan posted the small blind - $150.00
peeeedor posted the big blind - $300.00

** Dealing card to johnny291281: Queen of Diamonds, Queen of Spades

Eubank folded
Nordic-King folded

johnny291281 raised - $750.00
Antman1976 raised - $1500.00
toddmac folded
HolyRo11er folded
shaggydan folded
peeeedor folded
johnny291281 called - $1500.00

** Dealing the flop: Ace of Spades, 10 of Spades, 4 of Diamonds

johnny291281 checked
Antman1976 bet - $1500.00
johnny291281 folded

Antman1976 mucks:
Antman1976 wins $4950.00 from the main pot

End of game 694124667

[Fimanoid]

Raise more preflop, if you get reraised, push.

Might want to try a stop-and-go as well.

[johnny_fish]

I don't agree. Some considerations:

- I won't fold to any push preflop.
- His minraise (which obviously commits him) generally indicates a very good hand.
- Knowing this, I guess I'm behind at this flop 90-95% of the time.

I actually think I played this optimally.

[Sprayed]

When he min raised my raise I would have pushed pre flop with QQ. But I like to gambool.

[drmcboy]

it's close, I'm not sure you have enough chips to look for a better spot than to push pre flop.

Obv if you call pre flop you check fold when the A hits. Although he may have folded KK.

if your range for him to make the min raise play is AK KK AA, is it even correct to call pre flop? I think it's about 1/3 he'll outflop you with the AK, and you always go broke with good flop if he has AA/KK. And if he has AK and whiffs he may not call on the flop.

[chardrian]

I push that preflop.

[johnny_fish]

if your range for him to make the min raise play is AK KK AA, is it even correct to call pre flop? I think it's about 1/3 he'll outflop you with the AK, and you always go broke with good flop if he has AA/KK.

Good point. I just couldn't find a fold preflop at the time. I also think folding is almost impossible with an M of 6, but with a very solid read or a lot of action behind me maybe it is.

Let's list pro's/cons of calling preflop vs pushing.

Pro:
- Surviving vs AA/KK/AK if an A/K hits the flop.

Con:
- Folding the best hand vs JJ/99/88/KQ/xx on a A/K flop.
- Not getting value of AK on a safe flop.
- Not getting value of TT/99/KQ/AQ/xx on certain flops.

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edit:

I push that preflop.

I usually push too. I made the standard raise initially to get some value out of it; maybe the BN/SB/BB would push a wider range this way.

[Sprayed]

You don't have the chips or the cards to get cute. Don't raise pre-flop, push.

[midas06]

I usually push too. I made the standard raise initially to get some value out of it; maybe the BN/SB/BB would push a wider range this way.

So you push with hands that you want people to fold, and you raise with hands you want people to call with? Sounds like an easily readable plan.