What do you do?

[Stripclubjunkie]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO (t4809)
Button (t2065)
SB (t3440)
BB (t3391)
Hero (t1850)
MP (t4445)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5, 5.


Shortstack. Push/fold?

[Renton]

push.

You have an effective M or less than 5. That would put you in Harrington's Red Zone.

[Stripclubjunkie]

According to SNGPT it's not +EV, but i went and pushed it. Thoughts?

[Cava72]

I agree with Renton...push.

5 5 is a good hand...if you wait longer...you will have less chips and it will be an easier call for other to call you.

[Renton]

Also, your stack isn't too low. Anyone who calls you and loses is in pretty big trouble. Depending on the stakes, a UTG push should garner a fair bit of respect. You wouldn't mind a call from AK or AQ to double up on a flip, and most likely no ones calling you and you get the blinds.

[pgil]

you could raise, or fold. kinda depends how its playing. if they are calling with KT and other junk hands, then lay it down. if they are super tight, 2.5x might do it. if they are moderately tight, maybe push, maybe fold. probably fold. still have a lot of time left given the stack sizes and blinds. steal from the button or CO when folded to you.

[Renton]

you could raise, or fold. kinda depends how its playing. if they are calling with KT and other junk hands, then lay it down. if they are super tight, 2.5x might do it. if they are moderately tight, maybe push, maybe fold. probably fold. still have a lot of time left given the stack sizes and blinds. steal from the button or CO when folded to you.

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A push all in here begs for a call from KT, AK, or any other hand that isn't 66+.

I don't understand what you are saying. And with an M of 4.5, a 2.5x raise would not be good unless he had a monster like AA or KK.

[Renton]

Holy dogshit I am a flush!

[drmcboy]

a 2.5x raise would not be good unless he had a monster like AA or KK.

If you push 55 here, you must push AA.

If you had 1500, I would say push. Here I would fold. You can pay one more round and still have 1500, which is plenty to fold people out next orbit.

[Rockymv]

You have too many chips relative to the blinds and the SB and BB have twice as many chips as you. This is a clear fold.

[Rockymv]

If everyone has a range of 66+, A10s+, AJ0+, it's -0.2%. And with the shortstack pushing UTG I bet their ranges are slightly looser than that.

[Trikflow77]

You have too many chips relative to the blinds and the SB and BB have twice as many chips as you. This is a clear fold.

easy fold with your stack size.........

[mcatdog]

Why would you even think about going all-in here, it's just throwing money away.

[aislephive]

Pushing is an awful play IMHO. You get called and you're at best a flip and likely in a 4-1 situation. Raising to 600 is a better play than pushing, but I would fold here and wait for a better spot. When you push a hand like AK you are usually at worst a flip, and a lot of the times a very big favorite. You're never going to be a big favorite if you're called with 55, and sometimes you'll be a huge underdog. Yes you're shortstacked, but you aren't yet desperate. And you can certainly wait for a better spot than to push 55.

[gabe]

FOLD FOLD FOLD
YOU ARE OUT OF POSITION

[vqc]

According to SNGPT it's not +EV, but i went and pushed it. Thoughts?

Next time, listen to the program.

[Stripclubjunkie]

What would you consider pushing with UTG(besides AA,KK,QQ)?

[mcatdog]

What would you consider pushing with UTG(besides AA,KK,QQ)?

I played with PowerTools a little bit and it looks like 88+, AJs+, AQo+ is a good range of hands to push with here.

[vqc]

contrary to popular belief, being less than 10xBB doesnt make u automatically ULTRA desperate.

There are varying levels of desperateness once u fall below 10xBB.

[konahead]

I agree with gabe - fold.

but pushing alleviates any positional disadvantage so I'm unclear what position would have to do with it - unless it was in response to those implying a raise rather than a push, or the fact that you're UTG so you haven't had the "positional advantage" of seeing some opps fold...

Regardless, too many remaining opps and blinds are too low relative to your stack to be pushing here with 55 - at best you'll be facing two overcards which is still a coinflip - and that's at best....

[Rockymv]

but pushing alleviates any positional disadvantage so I'm unclear what position would have to do with it

Is this something Harrington says? I think he does and he's totally wrong about that. Position makes a huge difference when you're pushing, simply because when you're out of position there's more people that could potentially pick up hands to call you with, so that you get called more on average when you push without position.

[Trikflow77]

but pushing alleviates any positional disadvantage so I'm unclear what position would have to do with it

Is this something Harrington says? I think he does and he's totally wrong about that. Position makes a huge difference when you're pushing, simply because when you're out of position there's more people that could potentially pick up hands to call you with, so that you get called more on average when you push without position.

harrington says this about AK in particular..........you get to see all five cards.........with 55 you dont want overs to see all 5 cards.

[konahead]

yes - I agree - with position you get the advantage of seeing some opps before you fold.... sorry I wasn't clear on that.

[Rockymv]

but pushing alleviates any positional disadvantage so I'm unclear what position would have to do with it

Is this something Harrington says? I think he does and he's totally wrong about that. Position makes a huge difference when you're pushing, simply because when you're out of position there's more people that could potentially pick up hands to call you with, so that you get called more on average when you push without position.

harrington says this about AK in particular..........you get to see all five cards.........with 55 you dont want overs to see all 5 cards.

I haven't looked at HOH in a while but I think he says this about pushing in general. The impression I got when I read it was that he was saying your position didn't matter so long as you're opening the pot with an all-in.

[taipan168]

I hate picking up small pocket pairs in early position when the blinds are too small relative to your stack to limp but not so big that it's an autopush.

With 11-12x BB, 4-handed, on the button, with a fold in front opinion was somewhat divided as to whether 55 was a push or 3x BB raise:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=29285

[Fnord]

Next time, listen to the Wookie.

[Rockymv]

I hate picking up small pocket pairs in early position when the blinds are too small relative to your stack to limp but not so big that it's an autopush.

With 11-12x BB, 4-handed, on the button, with a fold in front opinion was somewhat divided as to whether 55 was a push or 3x BB raise:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=29285

That hand is way different due to the fact that it's 4-handed and the other short stack is on the BB. It's a lot closer to a push.

[mcatdog]

That hand is way different due to the fact that it's 4-handed and the other short stack is on the BB. It is a push.

[taipan168]

That hand is way different due to the fact that it's 4-handed and the other short stack is on the BB. It's a lot closer to a push.

I agree, I guess the point I should have made is that opinion was divided even when there were factors that made that hand much more conducive to a push. Illustrates the point that the original poster's hand is a definite fold.

[vqc]

Next time, listen to the Wookie.

let the wookie win.

[WhooFleuryScores]

Easy push.I'd prefer TT/AJs or better but that's ok.

[vqc]

Easy push.I'd prefer TT/AJs or better but that's ok.

hav u tried looking at the numbers?

[Fnord]

Easy push.I'd prefer TT/AJs or better but that's ok.

hav u tried looking at the numbers?

I think he uses the force...