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    Default Check on the end

    Early in a 5.50 SNG on PokerStars:

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

    CO (t1500)
    Hero (t1490)
    SB (t1460)
    BB (t1460)
    UTG (t1500)
    UTG+1 (t1500)
    MP1 (t1500)
    MP2 (t1460)
    MP3 (t1630)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 6.
    3 folds, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, 1 fold, Hero calls t20, SB completes, BB checks.

    Flop: (t100) A, 3, 7 (5 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

    Turn: (t100) 4 (5 players)
    SB checks, BB bets t100, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t100, Hero raises to t400, SB folds, BB calls t300, MP3 folds.

    River: (t1000) T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks.

    Final Pot: t1000

    This question hit me out of nowhere. I know the check on the end is usually correct if you have no reads and a better draw fills, etc etc, but under what circumstances would I need to be able to bet the river here?
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    IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?

    you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....

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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    but under what circumstances would I need to be able to bet the river here?
    If the river was a non-spade

    Seriously though, not worth taking the risk that opp has filled the flush here and is hoping to check/raise you given you were aggressive on the turn. If he's a donk playing Ax then you've just won a very nice pot early.

    Maybe I play too tight, but I'm dumping 65o here, even on the button. 65s I'd limp to see if I can hit a big draw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    but under what circumstances would I need to be able to bet the river here?
    If the river was a non-spade
    What about the diamonds???

    Anyway, you bet the river, in poker, when you're confident that a weaker hand WILL make a crying call. You're not betting the river to get better hands to fold. I think checking here is probably the best (assuming we're talking about all buyins in general). The way this hand played, because of the buyin, I would assume BB had diamonds (good guess??). Anyway, if you're betting for value here, I don't think you're going to get what you want, so I think checking here is your best line.
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    no way i check this river....bet 200-300 to likely he had Ax being that he is in the blinds......the blind wont usually lead a with a weak ace.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Trikflow77
    no way i check this river....bet 200-300 to likely he had Ax being that he is in the blinds......the blind wont usually lead a with a weak ace.
    I think this is as true in the $5.50s as often as they will lead with their FD after no one bet their ace on the flop. If you think that your opponent has Ax, then yeah, bet here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba Chuck
    Quote Originally Posted by Trikflow77
    no way i check this river....bet 200-300 to likely he had Ax being that he is in the blinds......the blind wont usually lead a with a weak ace.
    I think this is as true in the $5.50s as often as they will lead with their FD after no one bet their ace on the flop. If you think that your opponent has Ax, then yeah, bet here.
    in a 5.50 i think it is much less likely they have a flush draw when they lead the turn like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trikflow77

    in a 5.50 i think it is much less likely they have a flush draw when they lead the turn like this.
    I have ZERO experience on $5.50s, so I'll take ur word for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba Chuck
    Quote Originally Posted by Trikflow77

    in a 5.50 i think it is much less likely they have a flush draw when they lead the turn like this.
    I have ZERO experience on $5.50s, so I'll take ur word for it.
    the only experience i have there is when i 24 tabled them for a prop bet...lol...i was assuming weaker players in general play lower levels....and they arent usually aggressive with flush draws.
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    why are you even in this hand?????????????

    besides that your line is fine but value bet the river as at this level they will bet the flush. expect him to call with top pair or slighly better (not much tho)
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    made flush isn't going to check here, even if you did check-raise the turn. They'll make a weak bet hoping you'll come over the top.

    Bet 100 - you'll probably get a call from Ax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by konahead
    made flush isn't going to check here, even if you did check-raise the turn. They'll make a weak bet hoping you'll come over the top.

    Bet 100 - you'll probably get a call from Ax.
    If somehow I find myself in this situation with the made flush, I check here all the time.

    Anyhow, I assume if our hero bets, and he's c/r'd, he's folding....
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    Quote Originally Posted by konahead
    made flush isn't going to check here, even if you did check-raise the turn. They'll make a weak bet hoping you'll come over the top.

    Bet 100 - you'll probably get a call from Ax.
    if someone bet 100 into a 1k pot....i would raise him big with 3 high.
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    I think I make a small value bet on the end to make any more money on the hand. If he lead the turn it means he probably picked up a diamond draw, since he probably would have led the flop with a spade draw. I would make a bet of 300 here and hope that he makes a crying call with Ax or maybe two pair.
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    For all you guessing what the mofo had, he made a set on the turn, 44.

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