QQ on a K high flop

[Rockymv]

I think I finally saw this enough to know what it means. What do you think?

PokerStars Game #4118308806: Tournament #20467730, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/02/27 - 15:23:00 (ET)
Table '20467730 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: tech punk (1885 in chips)
Seat 2: littlekaps (1045 in chips)
Seat 3: Minus790 (1415 in chips)
Seat 4: duece champ (930 in chips)
Seat 5: D_Redhill (2425 in chips)
Seat 6: GotTheBigOne (1865 in chips)
Seat 7: Rockymv (1495 in chips)
Seat 8: BigCity09 (1365 in chips)
Seat 9: H S U E H (1075 in chips)
H S U E H: posts small blind 50
tech punk: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rockymv [Qc Qd]
littlekaps: folds
Minus790: folds
duece champ: folds
D_Redhill: calls 100
GotTheBigOne: folds
Rockymv: raises 200 to 300
BigCity09: folds
H S U E H: folds
tech punk: folds
D_Redhill: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [9s 8h Kh]
D_Redhill: bets 500
Rockymv: raises 695 to 1195 and is all-in

[Trikflow77]

it means Ax 8 0r 9 or j10 most of the time..............

[fasin8ing]

So he's on the button , he limps, hes chip leader.... He throws down a pot size bet. I like your push... Is he limping alot ???? I seriously put him on hearts or connectors. I notice big stacks like to limp more than they like to raise. I also notice big stacks like to raise min alot. What did you put him on Rocky?

[Rockymv]

I put him on A9, A8, TT, or JJ. There's just no reason for a hand that beats me to lead with a pot sized bet here.

[johnnyshaka]

Why wouldn't somebody leading bet?? Maybe he's got AK or even KK but is worried about the flush draw and wants you to pay if you are to chase it. If that's the case, I'd rather take down the pot now rather than later.

[Halv]

Why wouldn't somebody leading bet?? Maybe he's got AK or even KK but is worried about the flush draw and wants you to pay if you are to chase it. If that's the case, I'd rather take down the pot now rather than later.

KK will reraise pf, AK will probably raise but you never know. I'd be more worried about 99 or some kind of king (KQ, KJ).

[WildBobAA]

Good push, teach him not to donkbet. You're ahead here more often than not.

[konahead]

I'd say he has something like KJ/KT and he's worried about the straight and flush draws. Or it could be JT (of hearts?) on a semi-bluff, but if so, you're not a favorite to win with 2 cards to go.... I fold here without a read, and you should have a read on that by the 50/100 level if the guy's making a lot of bluffs or semi-bluffs...

Hopefully I'm wrong and you won the hand.....

wildbob - how was that a donkbet? not sure I understand......

[MAX]

My range for opp. would be huge here. He could have any piece of the flop/a draw/or a hand that beats you. Your push is ok since you are ahead of more hands in his range than you are behind, but I can easily see opp. playing AK/QK this way and wouldn't assume his bet means I am ahead.

[Vinterriket]

I wouldn't rule out a weak K here. If this player is maintaining a LAGGed image then pot-betting into you with a king is a reasonable play... if not standard.

I agree you are probably ahead in this hand a majority of the time, but I would include weak K hands in opp's range.

[Rockymv]

The hands he could have that are probably KJ, KT, 88 or 99. All these hands either look for the C/R or lead the flop smaller.

Results: He called and turned over JJ.

[JPSlayerNuts]

The hands he could have that are probably KJ, KT, 88 or 99. All these hands either look for the C/R or lead the flop smaller.

Why don't you had KQ and AK to that range and I think, of all these hands, 88 or 99 would most likely go for the C/R but it would be absolutely to bet the pot if he had a K especially on a 2-flush board

[Trikflow77]

The hands he could have that are probably KJ, KT, 88 or 99. All these hands either look for the C/R or lead the flop smaller.

Results: He called and turned over JJ.

I AM ALWAYS RIGHT

[Rockymv]

The hands he could have that are probably KJ, KT, 88 or 99. All these hands either look for the C/R or lead the flop smaller.

Why don't you had KQ and AK to that range

he limped in mp. those hands would've raised.

[journey075]

The hands he could have that are probably KJ, KT, 88 or 99. All these hands either look for the C/R or lead the flop smaller.

Why don't you had KQ and AK to that range

he limped in mp. those hands would've raised.

how do you figure JJ for a limp?

[JPSlayerNuts]

The hands he could have that are probably KJ, KT, 88 or 99. All these hands either look for the C/R or lead the flop smaller.

Why don't you had KQ and AK to that range

he limped in mp. those hands would've raised.

perfectly reasonable to limp KQ in mp, you're probably right about AK though

[fasin8ing]

Ok so I understand the push. Your right Rocky about AK or KK re raising, so I would have ruled that out. Say he put in a half size bet... Would you have raised him all in or raised double? And if he came back over the top you would lay it down or no?????????????? I think of a pot size bet as a protection bet, as in protecting something under top card on the flop. I commented earlier on paying to draw... is there anyway to ever figure this out... People like to keep the pot within reason if they should hit their flush and straight draws ... Many people will bet into them, any real tells when they are doing this? For instance, someone betting a 1/4th of the pot to keep their odds within reason?????

[aleksandr]

I think your push is solid here with a read that opp likes to c-bet if he hits the flop in a good way (or at least not poorly)

[fasin8ing]

I think your push is solid here with a read that opp likes to c-bet if he hits the flop in a good way (or at least not poorly)

Can somebody tell me the difference between a pot size bet and a continuation bet?

[holdin2]

Pot size is exactly what is says.

A continuation is when you were the pre flop aggressor and you lead out the betting on the flop when it misses you with generally a 1/2 pot size bet.

[drmcboy]

perfectly reasonable to limp KQ in mp,

not at 50/100, raise/fold. Limping JJ here also sucks.

[gabe]

ship it to QQ