Set on 3 flush flop

[Rockymv]

OK?

PokerStars Game #4131868958: Tournament #20535126, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/02/28 - 19:33:00 (ET)
Table '20535126 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: kingsover99 (3185 in chips)
Seat 4: CrapsPot (1350 in chips)
Seat 5: jobscj (1510 in chips)
Seat 6: gmetric (1205 in chips)
Seat 8: sidekicktsd (4640 in chips)
Seat 9: Rockymv (1610 in chips)
sidekicktsd: posts small blind 25
Rockymv: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rockymv [5s 5h]
kingsover99: folds
CrapsPot: folds
jobscj: calls 50
gmetric: calls 50
sidekicktsd: folds
Rockymv: checks
*** FLOP *** [5d 2d Ad]
Rockymv: bets 150
jobscj: raises 400 to 550
gmetric: folds
Rockymv: raises 1010 to 1560 and is all-in

[Sprayed]

Against random hands your a favorite. I think it's a good play. Chances of someone flopping a flush is small.

[konahead]

What's the buy-in on this?

I'll assume no reads on jobscj here, so not sure there's any other way to play it - and you have quite a few outs to hit the boat. I don't think 3d4d limps from CO, nor raises that much on that flop. I think you're up against the king of diamonds - maybe KdQx. Or A2/A5, in which case you've lost your ace outs.....

I like it - good push. I think you get a fold there most times.

[vqc]

ANyone Flat call and then push a non diamond turn?

[spoonitnow]

ANyone Flat call and then push a non diamond turn?

I'll add that to my list of cool stuff to do when I flop a set on a suited flop.

[vqc]

ANyone Flat call and then push a non diamond turn?

I'll add that to my list of cool stuff to do when I flop a set on a suited flop.

Well the question is, what hands will call ur all in on a monotone flop? What hands like to bet monotone flops?

[spoonitnow]

ANyone Flat call and then push a non diamond turn?

I'll add that to my list of cool stuff to do when I flop a set on a suited flop.

Well the question is, what hands will call ur all in on a monotone flop? What hands like to bet monotone flops?

It seems people with a draw to the nut flush tend to bet the flop. Then again, maybe I just hang around with the fish too much.

If someone had the flush on the flop, they would raise it up? Or at least bet more than 1 BB?

Edit: Forgot about the calling the all in thing. I figure someone with the flush already would probably not have the nut flush (if they do, we're kinda screwed), so they would raise it up on the flop to try to keep someone from sucking out to a higher flop. A minbet on that flop reaks of a nut flush draw to me, and with no raisers, it seems nobody has the flush already.

[GatorJH]

If you are going to push against a raise why not push instead of the initial pot sized bet? Someone may be inclined to play the Kd or Qd against a pot sized bet (Ad probably won't fold to any bet), but would fold to a push.

[Rockymv]

I want a flush draw to call with bad odds. If the 4th d hits its an easy fold.

[Scuba Chuck]

If you are going to push against a raise why not push instead of the initial pot sized bet? Someone may be inclined to play the Kd or Qd against a pot sized bet (Ad probably won't fold to any bet), but would fold to a push.

There is no Ad out there!

Due to the fact there is an ace on the board, on average, I think you're likely to get more foolish calls with ace high thinking someone's over playing the FD on your end. I think on average you are up against a wider hand range than what you're thinking.

Also, there is definately merit to pot control here. For example, how do you think this hand plays out if you check here? If it checks through and a diamond hits on the turn, so what? If someone pots it and you call and a diamond hits, so what? BUT, if someone pots it, and no diamond hits, you can begin to exert pressure on the turn with position.

[Rockymv]

here's another, different one.

PokerStars Game #4134087511: Tournament #20545283, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/02/28 - 22:26:50 (ET)
Table '20545283 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: fixius01 (2255 in chips)
Seat 2: Mentor4995 (1350 in chips)
Seat 3: Rockymv (1325 in chips)
Seat 4: Rainpan (1380 in chips)
Seat 5: Hennessyy (1370 in chips)
Seat 6: pocktmullets (1670 in chips)
Seat 7: jonnypham (675 in chips)
Seat 8: rebrake (1910 in chips)
Seat 9: lee676 (1565 in chips)
rebrake: posts small blind 25
lee676: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rockymv [Ks Kd]
fixius01: calls 50
Mentor4995: calls 50
Rockymv: raises 150 to 200
Rainpan: folds
Hennessyy: folds
pocktmullets: folds
jonnypham: folds
rebrake: folds
lee676: folds
fixius01: calls 150
Mentor4995: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc 6c 7c]
fixius01: checks
Rockymv: bets 400
fixius01: raises 1655 to 2055 and is all-in
Rockymv: calls 725 and is all-in

[GatorJH]

There is no Ad out there!

I need to stop trying to watch tv and post. This is the second time tonight I screwed up!!!!

[gabe]

ANyone Flat call and then push a non diamond turn?

NOPE
if he has A5s (or a suited black ace) let him get his money in

[vqc]

ANyone Flat call and then push a non diamond turn?

NOPE
if he has A5s (or a suited black ace) let him get his money in

do people really get all in on monotone boards with such shitty hands?

[Trikflow77]

If you are going to push against a raise why not push instead of the initial pot sized bet? Someone may be inclined to play the Kd or Qd against a pot sized bet (Ad probably won't fold to any bet), but would fold to a push.

There is no Ad out there!

Due to the fact there is an ace on the board, on average, I think you're likely to get more foolish calls with ace high thinking someone's over playing the FD on your end. I think on average you are up against a wider hand range than what you're thinking.

Also, there is definately merit to pot control here. For example, how do you think this hand plays out if you check here? If it checks through and a diamond hits on the turn, so what? If someone pots it and you call and a diamond hits, so what? BUT, if someone pots it, and no diamond hits, you can begin to exert pressure on the turn with position.

The only reason to call and get it in on a non 4 flush turn is for a equity edge. If i am deep stacked i do this.....but in rockymvs case i push flop.

VQ if you are going to do this i control the pot with either a small bet or a check.......then a huge turn bet to give them horrible odds on the turn to call with a flush draw.

[boost]

umm.. esp on the Ahigh flop your set is good. Your play here was perfect if yo uask me. I dont want to call along then push the non diamond turn because then you dont get the if he does hit the turn. Get all your chips in here and if he sucks out you can fill up on the resuck. If he has the flush you still have outs. The fact that he would play so many hands against you taht you are ahead of youve gotta go with this.

On the KK hand, since its top set, his hand range narrows and it looks more like hes got the flush draw (probalby nut) or 2 pair(a call from the sb with 67s is not out of the question). You are still probably ahead since hes pushing over you and youve got outs to make of for the times you arent ahead.

[Rockymv]

I have ~34% of winning if he has the flush on both of these hands. So if he has the flush less than 76% of the time then I'm good here. I think he clearly does...so I think these hands are fine. I guess I just answered my own question.

[drmcboy]

yeah assuming pot is heads up I am never folding set on the flop.

[gabe]

i just requested the HH for both of these since you didn't convert them.

SORRY YOU LOSE TO MUCH

[fasin8ing]

umm.. esp on the Ahigh flop your set is good. Your play here was perfect if yo uask me. I dont want to call along then push the non diamond turn because then you dont get the if he does hit the turn. Get all your chips in here and if he sucks out you can fill up on the resuck. If he has the flush you still have outs. The fact that he would play so many hands against you taht you are ahead of youve gotta go with this.

On the KK hand, since its top set, his hand range narrows and it looks more like hes got the flush draw (probalby nut) or 2 pair(a call from the sb with 67s is not out of the question). You are still probably ahead since hes pushing over you and youve got outs to make of for the times you arent ahead.

Is that dude in your avatar Journeys brother?

[Rockymv]

i just requested the HH for both of these since you didn't convert them.

SORRY YOU LOSE TO MUCH

i'm confused. you requested these HHs and saw that i lost both hands? and you're consoling me for my losses? sometimes i have trouble understanding what people are saying to me.

[gabe]

i realized this morning i can request the HH directly from stars and see results when people don't convert HHs.

but nvm not really important

[Rockymv]

you sneaky bastard.