JJ line check

[Rockymv]

It's early, no reads. What do you put Villian on? Do you call the river?

PokerStars Game #4146579247: Tournament #20608092, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/03/02 - 00:48:52 (ET)
Table '20608092 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: LVhilton (1450 in chips)
Seat 2: BwlrFrLife (1770 in chips)
Seat 3: RikkiDee (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: low on cash (1450 in chips)
Seat 5: Malsuerte (1430 in chips)
Seat 6: Rockymv (1590 in chips)
Seat 7: twoduckcubed (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: ehafner (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: jed67gto (1380 in chips)
twoduckcubed: posts small blind 15
ehafner: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rockymv [Js Jc]
jed67gto: raises 60 to 90
LVhilton: folds
BwlrFrLife: folds
RikkiDee: folds
low on cash: folds
Malsuerte: folds
Rockymv: calls 90
twoduckcubed: folds
ehafner: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc Qd 5d]
jed67gto: checks
Rockymv: bets 180
jed67gto: calls 180
*** TURN *** [Tc Qd 5d] [6d]
jed67gto: checks
Rockymv: checks
*** RIVER *** [Tc Qd 5d 6d] [5s]
jed67gto: bets 510
Rockymv: calls 510

[gabe]

i dont call the river. the only thing you can beat is a whiffed KJo, but other than that the flush draw got there, or he could be valuebetting the river with QT, TT, or the flush with a hand that missed a turn check raise.

[Rockymv]

It seemed like he either had a big hand or nothing. Mediocre hands lead the flop. I don't think he would've raised QTs 3BB PF in UTG.

Actually, the PF raise seems pretty donkish in general. And if he's a donk he wouldn't have been smart enough to overbet the river as a value bet (wouldn't a donk have bet less?).

So I guess what I'm saying is for that river bet to indicate a hand that beats me he has to be a somewhat clever player, and the PF UTG raise suggests that he is not. Does this make any sense or am I way off base here?

And don't you dare request the hand history and see what he actually had!!!!!