Is this dumb ?

[fasin8ing]

OK so this dude hit his sevens.. I know this.. But he raised just enough for the right odds for the draw of the straight. You like or no? Plus......... You know he put me on some ace rag shit .. You like or no?

Game #1320889386 (Level I, Game #4) - 5/10 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/03/01-19:15:30.4 (CST)
Table "Maori (5 max)" ($5 tournament) -- Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: fasin8ning (895.00 in chips)
Seat 2: peg1234 (940.00 in chips)
Seat 3: underdog22 (1,015.00 in chips)
Seat 4: dickspigion (915.00 in chips)
Seat 5: dkny607 (1,235.00 in chips)
dickspigion: Post Small Blind (5)
dkny607 : Post Big Blind (10)
Dealing...
Dealt to fasin8ning [ 3c ]
Dealt to fasin8ning [ 4d ]
fasin8ning: Call (10)
peg1234 : Call (10)
underdog22: Fold
dickspigion: Call (5)
dkny607 : Check
*** FLOP *** : [ Ah 2h 7c ]
dickspigion: Check
dkny607 : Check
fasin8ning: Bet (10)
peg1234 : Call (10)
dickspigion: Fold
dkny607 : Fold
*** TURN *** : [ Ah 2h 7c ] [ 7s ]
fasin8ning: Bet (10)
peg1234 : Raise (40)
fasin8ning: Call (30)
*** RIVER *** : [ Ah 2h 7c 7s ] [ 5c ]
fasin8ning: Bet (10)
peg1234 : Raise (70)
fasin8ning: Raise (300)
peg1234 : Call (240)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 760 | Board: [ Ah 2h 7c 7s 5c ]
fasin8ning bet 370, collected 760, net +390 (showed hand) [ 3c 4d ] (a straight, ace to five)
peg1234 lost 370 [ 9c 7d ] (three of a kind, sevens)
underdog22 didn't bet (folded)
dickspigion lost 10 (folded)
dkny607 lost 10 (folded)

[GatorJH]

But he raised just enough for the right odds for the draw of the straight

HUH? It cost you $30 to win $110. That means you would have to hit your straight just over 25% of the time to make it profitable, yet you will only hit the straight 8% of the time.

How is this giving you the right odds to chase the draw? Am I calculating something wrong here (which is totally possible).

[andy-akb]

But he raised just enough for the right odds for the draw of the straight

HUH? It cost you $30 to win $110. That means you would have to hit your straight just over 25% of the time to make it profitable, yet you will only hit the straight 8% of the time.

How is this giving you the right odds to chase the draw? Am I calculating something wrong here (which is totally possible).

No you have it right, its ~8% on either street, 16% played to the river. Knowing that your opponent has 97 you are about a 4:1 dog, toss in A7, 75, and 72 and your opponent could have a boat. Villain was second to act, I cant see 72, 75s i could see somebody play, A7 makes sense, 77 makes sense, so there are 3 hands really that technically could have you beat. Would they play this way? Probably not, but on the flop and turn you simply cant assume a straight will win. And again, even if the straight always wins, he still isnt getting the odds to call.

[fasin8ing]

So i dicked this up and should have folded the turn? You guys put him on 9 7 cause thats what it says.. I put him on Ace something.

[andy-akb]

So i dicked this up and should have folded the turn? You guys put him on 9 7 cause thats what it says.. I put him on Ace something.

On a draw like this I just dont like the betting really, if he checks, check behind him, if he bets, fold. Your bets are small so you arent trying to push him off the hand, I dont think you should be doing that with such a longshot draw.

[vqc]

So i dicked this up and should have folded the turn? You guys put him on 9 7 cause thats what it says.. I put him on Ace something.

the funny thing is
if u read the faq guess wat it says?
LEAVE OUT THE RESULTS
jeez if u want unbiased answers, dont give people a reason to bias.

[GatorJH]

So i dicked this up and should have folded the turn? You guys put him on 9 7 cause thats what it says.. I put him on Ace something.

So let me get this straight - You thought you were behind and had 4 outs to improve yet you lead out with min bets (that are by nature designed to build pots) AND called a raise? Do you consider this solid poker? It may be for ring games, but certainly isn't for SNG's.

[fasin8ing]

So i bet 10 into a 60 and get raised 40 . Making it 30 for a pot of a 110. almost 4 to 1 odds to hit my straight which Iam putting him on three of a kind. I need 7 to 1 to justify calling to make my straight. Correct? I dont put him on 3 7 , or 2 7 ... A 7 ... flopping two pair on the flop and not raising ???? Nope.. not possible. So if I needed 7 to 1 and only got 4 to 1 , this was a terrible play . Thank you for your comments. I am learning still , I wanted to post the whole hand VQC so you could call me a dumbass that got lucky so I can not make a gamble and fuck it up next time. Thanks alot for your honest opinions. I dont want to get lucky, I wanna make good decisions . This apparently was luck. I went on to win the tourny. Any other comments?

[Scuba Chuck]

If you are going to play like a donkey on hands like this, you need to get paid a ton when you hit. I'm not an advocate for your play here because it's completely unnecessary for your likely buyin. But, you need to bet way way more on the river.

[A10Chief]

So i bet 10 into a 60 and get raised 40 . Making it 30 for a pot of a 110. almost 4 to 1 odds to hit my straight which Iam putting him on three of a kind. I need 7 to 1 to justify calling to make my straight. Correct?

Not correct. You have a four outer. While not technically a "gutshot," this is still a four outer. You need closer to 11-1 on each street to justify calling. If you KNEW you could break the villain when you hit, you could take slightly the worst of it here as your implied odds are good. But you took way the worst of it here. Even though you won this hand, in the long run, you just cost yourself money.

[konahead]

fold prefolp. check fold the flop. definitely fold the turn - if opp has A7/57/27 you're drawing dead. if you get to the river here, call the raise, don't reraise, unless you're very sure you have opp beat. and no way you're getting the right odds here on any street with only 4 outs.

[Rondavu]

Don't chase the wheel. It only keeps rolling away. Remember what people are saying about implied odds though. If you put him on the 7, then when you hit the wheel push all in to salvage your earlier mistakes. Hitting weird cards for the make encourages strong opponents to call huge bets.

[a500lbgorilla]

I was hoping the post woulda been just a pic of Triptanes then I coulda been like "YESSSSSS!!!!!"

[boost]

like everyone says you dont have odds, dont know why you thought you did?

also wtf are you doing limping 32o utg? Im really confused..

[fasin8ing]

OK so this dude hit his sevens.. I know this.. But he raised just enough for the right odds for the draw of the straight. You like or no? Plus......... You know he put me on some ace rag shit .. You like or no?

Game #1320889386 (Level I, Game #4) - 5/10 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/03/01-19:15:30.4 (CST)
Table "Maori (5 max)" ($5 tournament) -- Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: fasin8ning (895.00 in chips)
Seat 2: peg1234 (940.00 in chips)
Seat 3: underdog22 (1,015.00 in chips)
Seat 4: dickspigion (915.00 in chips)
Seat 5: dkny607 (1,235.00 in chips)
dickspigion: Post Small Blind (5)
dkny607 : Post Big Blind (10)
Dealing...
Dealt to fasin8ning [ 3c ]
Dealt to fasin8ning [ 4d ]
fasin8ning: Call (10)
peg1234 : Call (10)
underdog22: Fold
dickspigion: Call (5)
dkny607 : Check
*** FLOP *** : [ Ah 2h 7c ]
dickspigion: Check
dkny607 : Check
fasin8ning: Bet (10)
peg1234 : Call (10)
dickspigion: Fold
dkny607 : Fold
*** TURN *** : [ Ah 2h 7c ] [ 7s ]
fasin8ning: Bet (10)
peg1234 : Raise (40)
fasin8ning: Call (30)
*** RIVER *** : [ Ah 2h 7c 7s ] [ 5c ]
fasin8ning: Bet (10)
peg1234 : Raise (70)
fasin8ning: Raise (300)
peg1234 : Call (240)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 760 | Board: [ Ah 2h 7c 7s 5c ]
fasin8ning bet 370, collected 760, net +390 (showed hand) [ 3c 4d ] (a straight, ace to five)
peg1234 lost 370 [ 9c 7d ] (three of a kind, sevens)
underdog22 didn't bet (folded)
dickspigion lost 10 (folded)
dkny607 lost 10 (folded)

Rephrased version:

OK so this dude hit his sevens.. I know this.. Iam a complete idiot for limping away 10 of my chips with 3 4 os. But he raised not enough for the right odds for the draw of the straight. You like or no? NO Plus......... You know he put me on some ace rag shit .. You like or no? NO .... I will never ever do this again . I would delete this post but I can look back at it someday and think .. What in the shit.. I am glad I have been posting dumb shit like this . I need to have negative reinforcement and feedback even though I won... I need this so I will stop doing dumb shit. Thanks again . You guys like my new JOURNAVATAR... ?

[fasin8ing]

OK so this dude hit his sevens.. I know this.. But he raised just enough for the right odds for the draw of the straight. You like or no? Plus......... You know he put me on some ace rag shit .. You like or no?

Game #1320889386 (Level I, Game #4) - 5/10 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/03/01-19:15:30.4 (CST)
Table "Maori (5 max)" ($5 tournament) -- Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: fasin8ning (895.00 in chips)
Seat 2: peg1234 (940.00 in chips)
Seat 3: underdog22 (1,015.00 in chips)
Seat 4: dickspigion (915.00 in chips)
Seat 5: dkny607 (1,235.00 in chips)
dickspigion: Post Small Blind (5)
dkny607 : Post Big Blind (10)
Dealing...
Dealt to fasin8ning [ 3c ]
Dealt to fasin8ning [ 4d ]
fasin8ning: Call (10)
peg1234 : Call (10)
underdog22: Fold
dickspigion: Call (5)
dkny607 : Check
*** FLOP *** : [ Ah 2h 7c ]
dickspigion: Check
dkny607 : Check
fasin8ning: Bet (10)
peg1234 : Call (10)
dickspigion: Fold
dkny607 : Fold
*** TURN *** : [ Ah 2h 7c ] [ 7s ]
fasin8ning: Bet (10)
peg1234 : Raise (40)
fasin8ning: Call (30)
*** RIVER *** : [ Ah 2h 7c 7s ] [ 5c ]
fasin8ning: Bet (10)
peg1234 : Raise (70)
fasin8ning: Raise (300)
peg1234 : Call (240)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 760 | Board: [ Ah 2h 7c 7s 5c ]
fasin8ning bet 370, collected 760, net +390 (showed hand) [ 3c 4d ] (a straight, ace to five)
peg1234 lost 370 [ 9c 7d ] (three of a kind, sevens)
underdog22 didn't bet (folded)
dickspigion lost 10 (folded)
dkny607 lost 10 (folded)

Rephrased version:

OK so this dude hit his sevens.. I know this.. Iam a complete idiot for limping away 10 of my chips with 3 4 os. But he raised not enough for the right odds for the draw of the straight. You like or no? NO Plus......... You know he put me on some ace rag shit .. You like or no? NO .... I will never ever do this again . I would delete this post but I can look back at it someday and think .. What in the shit.. I am glad I have been posting dumb shit like this . I need to have negative reinforcement and feedback even though I won... I need this so I will stop doing dumb shit. Thanks again . You guys like my new JOURNAVATAR... ?