AA with KK on board

[Warpe]

Early against an unknown...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1860)
MP2 (t810)
MP3 (t1460)
Hero (t1450)
Button (t1460)
SB (t1480)
BB (t2020)
UTG (t1460)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A.
3 folds, MP2 calls t20, MP3 raises to t40, Hero raises to t80, 3 folds, MP2 calls t60, MP3 calls t40.

Flop: (t270) 9, K, 4 (3 players)
MP2 bets t60, MP3 calls t60, Hero raises to t300, MP2 calls t240, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t930) K (2 players)
MP2 bets t430 (All-In), Hero ??????

[LeFou]

that sucks.
dump it.

edit: dump it IF you can. I don't know if I can.

[Warpe]

that sucks.
dump it.

edit: dump it IF you can. I don't know if I can.

Look at villain's bets.

[konahead]

You have to raise more preflop with a caller and a raiser and so many more to act behind you.... Should have made it around 150-200.

Then opp's turn bet is giving you 3.2-1.... damn tough laydown... I'd say you're looking at KQ and only 2 outs. Best to lay it down on that board... sorry - that just sucks...

[Warpe]

You have to raise more preflop with a caller and a raiser and so many more to act behind you.... Should have made it around 150-200.

BB is only 20 but, yeah, shoulda made it 100-120

I'd say you're looking at KQ and only 2 outs.

Flop: (t270) 9, K, 4 (3 players)
MP2 bets t60

Would you put him on a K with this leadout?

[pgil]

i think KQ is being too generous. why not K8, KT, or 9x. (TT and JJ could play this way as well) it explains why he bet so small on the flop, not sure if his K or 9 is good. once the board pairs the K he feels he is ahead, and pushes.

[Warpe]

i think KQ is being too generous. why not K8, KT, or 9x. (TT and JJ could play this way as well) it explains why he bet so small on the flop, not sure if his K or 9 is good. once the board pairs the K he feels he is ahead, and pushes.

We have a winner!!!

[konahead]

suprised villan called your 300 flop raise with JJ - I would have dumped it there against 2 opps.... that's why I put him on the king, regardless of his kicker....

is that weak to dump JJ against two opps and that flop raise on an overcard? Am I playing skerrd?

[Warpe]

suprised villan called your 300 flop raise with JJ - I would have dumped it there against 2 opps.... that's why I put him on the king, regardless of his kicker....

is that weak to dump JJ against two opps and that flop raise on an overcard? Am I playing skerrd?

In his shoes, I would've dumped JJ against my raise for sure, but he may have interpreted my raise as a positional bet. Regardless, I just couldn't put him on a king because of his small leadout, although I was fully prepared to have him show me one. I probably should have folded but I was still alive if he won the hand so, meh, I called.

[GatorJH]

You have to raise more preflop with a caller and a raiser and so many more to act behind you.... Should have made it around 150-200.

Then opp's turn bet is giving you 3.2-1.... damn tough laydown... I'd say you're looking at KQ and only 2 outs. Best to lay it down on that board... sorry - that just sucks...

Yea, that's probably the right move to make, but I don't think I could give up those odds in a low limit game where idiots play anything.

[drmcboy]

I want to emphasize that your pre flop raise is really bad. You are going to get action, you don't want a 4-5 way pot with AA. You saying 100-120 obv means you are waaay overplaying AA. That is NOT enough with a limp and a min raise. I'd have called with anything reasonable in the blinds. You also encouraged his weak lead at the flop because of your patty cake play.

A real raise solves all your problems - you would have likely ended up AI on the flop, if not, you won't have had nearly enough to fold even though you should be beat.

Terrible call by him on the flop, terrible call by you on the turn.

[Warpe]

I want to emphasize that your pre flop raise is really bad. You are going to get action, you don't want a 4-5 way pot with AA. You saying 100-120 obv means you are waaay overplaying AA. That is NOT enough with a limp and a min raise. I'd have called with anything reasonable in the blinds. You also encouraged his weak lead at the flop because of your patty cake play.

A real raise solves all your problems - you would have likely ended up AI on the flop, if not, you won't have had nearly enough to fold even though you should be beat.

Terrible call by him on the flop, terrible call by you on the turn.

So you're saying 5-6x bb isn't enough pre-flop? So where do you go? 8x? 10x?...disagree on my call, I think I read this well...

[drmcboy]

that's fine. You go broke here 9/10 IMO. I'm not going to waste any time trying to prove it to you.

5-6x is plenty to open. after a limp and a raise, no it isn't enough. 150 is the minimum I would make it here. You need to let people make mistakes. You are pricing in any reasonable hand to come stack you when it makes two pair. Especially since you can't fold AA. The more married to it you are, the more you need to make them pay to chase it down.

[Warpe]

You go broke here 9/10 IMO.

Agree there...

[mcatdog]

You go broke here 9/10 IMO.

Agree there...

If you agree that you lose the hand 9/10, why did you call?

I don't agree that your turn call was terrible, I wouldn't necessarily make the call but I think you're good here a lot more often than 1/10. You're going to hit your ace on the river 5% of the time so this is basically saying he has at least a king 95% of the time, which is ridiculous IMO.

But I definitely agree that your preflop raise sucks. These tiny raises with AA, are something that you should eliminate from your game immediately. You're basically announcing to the table that you have AA and every single good player at the table will pick up on that. They will call you with their pocket pairs and bust you if they hit a set, especially since you're unable to fold AA even when someone is clearly telling you that you're beat.

Hand from the other day, I don't have the hand history. 4 players left, 3 of us with about 4000 and a short stack with 1200. I'm UTG and raise to 450 with TT, the short stack minreraises me to 750. I use up half my time bank and fold, he shows me AA. If he had just gone all-in I would have insta-called. This is why it's a bad idea to announce your hand to the table, it allows the decent players to make perfect decisions against you.

[Warpe]

You go broke here 9/10 IMO.

Agree there...

If you agree that you lose the hand 9/10, why did you call?

In most cases this is definitely a fold, but my read of his weak lead out was that he didn't have a K. I wasn't certain, but I was pretty sure. That's why I called.

[Warpe]

You have to raise more preflop with a caller and a raiser and so many more to act behind you...

your pre flop raise is really bad.

your preflop raise sucks.

Okay guys, I get it already. Anyone else?

[holdin2]

You have to raise more preflop because your pre flop raise is really bad and your preflop raise sucks.

How's that?

j/k