A Standard Push? (Stars 20+2)

I'm only just below 10 BBs here and the table is not really shorthanded, is this still a standard push?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB (t1306)
UTG (t3612)
Hero (t1472)
MP2 (t670)
CO (t3020)
Button (t739)
SB (t2681)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, J.
1 fold, Hero...?

[daluchy]

If this is +EV at all (I'm thinking marginally -EV depending on calling ranges) it's gonna be very marginal being MP1 and having almost 10BB.

I'd fold and look for a bigger +EV spot.

[thnwkd]

If this is +EV at all (I'm thinking marginally -EV depending on calling ranges) it's gonna be very marginal being UTG+1 and having almost 10BB.

I'd fold and look for a bigger +EV spot.

agreed. particularly with two short stacks on the table.

[Rockymv]

you'd have to really mess with ranges to make this even marginally +EV.

[aleksandr]

fold that. Pushing queens in early position is -EV.

[Rockymv]

fold that. Pushing queens in early position is -EV.

huh

[aleksandr]

sorry. Edit: Pushing queens with deep money EP is -ev. The chance that someone has AQ, KQ, AK, AA, KK, QQ, JJ out of the remaining 5 players or better and is calling you and knocking you out is very high here, as well as TT and 99.

Chances that someone has a particular PP is 1/210 or so, right? Well there's 5 players with AA-JJ calling range, the odds that someone has one of those PPs is 20/210, or about 9:1, and since you have 10xBB, you're push needs about 9:1 folding equity. Add in AK, occasional KQ, AQ calls, I think this is in the long run -EV; you either bust or make a few chips.

[Rockymv]

In the situation above, if everyone's calling with JJ-AA, pushing QQ is +1.3%. 10xbb is not deep money. If you can find a situation (other than bubble with extreme short stack) where you have 10xBB and it's -EV to push QQ....well then you'll have to prove it because I don't believe.

If stacks are very deep and calling ranges are very tight (KK+), then pushing QQ can be slightly -EV. From UTG on the first hand of a Stars Sng, using the calling ranges you mentioned, pushing QQ is even money.