22s. JJ.

[vqc]

Yes I limped JJ.

***** Hand History for Game 3668382045 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $22 Buy-in Trny:20703003 Level:2 Blinds(30/60) - Saturday, March 04, 18:31:20 ET 2006
Table Speed #1138625 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Fabse111 ( $1285 )
Seat 2: velimirovic ( $1880 )
Seat 3: EstropUK ( $1720 )
Seat 4: HostilePanda ( $1500 )
Seat 6: Kupe101111 ( $1730 )
Seat 9: bahjs ( $1980 )
Seat 5: MINVIK84 ( $2640 )
Seat 10: TheBoneHer ( $1940 )
Seat 7: rondell111 ( $2320 )
Seat 8: Dereckstrong ( $3005 )
Trny:20703003 Level:2
Blinds(30/60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheBoneHer [ Js Jh ]
bahjs folds.
TheBoneHer calls [60].
Fabse111 calls [60].
velimirovic folds.
EstropUK folds.
HostilePanda folds.
MINVIK84 folds.
Kupe101111 folds.
rondell111 will be using his time bank for this hand.
rondell111 calls [30].
Dereckstrong checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, Jd, 9s ]
rondell111 bets [100].
Dereckstrong calls [100].
TheBoneHer raises [400].
Fabse111 is all-In.
rondell111 is all-In.
Dereckstrong folds.
TheBoneHer is all-In.

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 64.9419 % 64.68% 00.26% { JhJs }
Hand 2: 17.5290 % 15.33% 02.20% { TT-99, AKs, K8s+, QTs-Q8s, T8s, AKo, K8o+, QTo-Q8o, T8o }
Hand 3: 17.5290 % 15.33% 02.20% { TT-99, AKs, K8s+, QTs-Q8s, T8s, AKo, K8o+, QTo-Q8o, T8o }


POstflop is ok right?

[Rockymv]

i play it all the same way, including preflop limp.

[Trikflow77]

hope u boated up!!!!

[vqc]

hope u boated up!!!!

today? No.
yesterday? Maybe
Tomorow? I hope so =D.

Actuallly, I think I was ahead the entire way here. These 22 players are horrible.

[aislephive]

Raise preflop every single time with a hand like JJ. I would limp maybe 99 or something, but JJ is a pretty big hand and it doesn't play well with multiple players in an unraised pot. If you flop an overpair are you going to check/fold to any bet? Are you going to lead the flop if it's checked to you? This is why I would always raise with a precious hand like JJ, to cut down on the competition and narrow down your opponent's hands.

As played you have no choice but to go with it, one of them probably has two pair, one might have a pair and a flush draw, or one of them could have QT for the nut straight. However by limping in preflop this is the situation you've gotten yourself into since you have no idea what anybody has.

[ilikeaces86]

Whats the point of this thread? Easiest call ever.

[Staresy]

Raise preflop every single time with a hand like JJ. I would limp maybe 99 or something, but JJ is a pretty big hand

I don't mind the limp here. Don't get me wrong, I can see merit in raising, I just don't think it's as clear cut as saying you should raise every single time here.

Problem I find with raising JJ from UTG+1 here is can you sufficiently limit the field enough knowing that, any callers are going to have position on you and there is more of a need for a favourable flop, or how do you respond to a re-raise?

How would you play TT here? In turn, how big of a margin is there between 99, TT and JJ?

[vqc]

Whats the point of this thread? Easiest call ever.

Becuase it generates discussion for everyone on preflop play and how preflop descisions force u into wierd postflop decisions


My pot equity is huge here. I kno its an easy call.
I just post any hand that makes me stutter while playing.

[Staresy]

These 22 players are horrible.

Seat 3: EstropUK

[vqc]

These 22 players are horrible.

Seat 3: EstropUK

He watched me donk out of like 6 SNGs, so Im not talkin smack =P

[Fnord]

This hand is so Deja Vu for me...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 ($30.55)
MP1 ($54.55)
MP2 ($41.85)
MP3 ($36.40)
CO ($81.20)
Button ($62.55)
SB ($49.40)
Fnord ($100)
UTG ($96.45)

Preflop: Fnord is BB with T, 9. CO posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, CO (poster) raises to $2, Button calls $2, 1 fold, Fnord calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1.

Flop: ($10.50) 8, 7, J (5 players)
Fnord bets $7, UTG+1 calls $7, MP2 calls $7, CO folds, Button raises to $60.55, Fnord raises to $98, UTG+1 calls $21.55 (All-In), MP2 folds.

Turn: ($204.60) 2 (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($204.60) 7 (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $204.60

Results in white below:
Fnord has Tc 9d (straight, jack high).
UTG+1 has Jh Jc (full house, jacks full of sevens).
Button has Ad 4d (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $103.15. Fnord wins $101.45.

[aislephive]

Raise preflop every single time with a hand like JJ. I would limp maybe 99 or something, but JJ is a pretty big hand

I don't mind the limp here. Don't get me wrong, I can see merit in raising, I just don't think it's as clear cut as saying you should raise every single time here.

Problem I find with raising JJ from UTG+1 here is can you sufficiently limit the field enough knowing that, any callers are going to have position on you and there is more of a need for a favourable flop, or how do you respond to a re-raise?

How would you play TT here? In turn, how big of a margin is there between 99, TT and JJ?

To a reraise I think it depends on the player. Most people won't reraise with less than AK or QQ, so I'd probably muck to a reraise.

I just think raising here is a winning play every time. If you get called and they have position on you, you still have a strong hand to play and a bet on the flop will more than likely take down the pot. There's no sense in limping in, letting the blinds in for free and then going broke in an unraised pot. If you were willing to put in your entire stack postflop when somebody like is out there with QT, then you should invest a few more chips preflop.

I would be raising 99+ here in most cases, depending on how aggressively (or passively) the table has been playing. If most raises won the blinds or got the pot heads up or three-way I would stick in a raise here with a wider range of hands that I might normally limp. With an aggressive table or one that calls a lot of raises I would limp 88-99 more often that not, but TT+ I think is still worth a raise. The difference between TT and JJ may not seem all that big, but the chance of an overcard flopping is significanty less with JJ than it is 88-TT, enough to make raising JJ preflop a good +EV play.