Passively played KQs *yawn*

[Renton]

The tiny preflop min raise made me think I might be up against a big pair, but I had no read so I made the call. I called the cbet and then when he checked the turn I figured he misst the flop, but checked anyway so he might bet on fifth. He didn't so I figured there was an excellent chance MHWG.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($6.53)
BB ($14.49)
UTG ($60.17)
UTG+1 ($24.71)
MP1 ($27.15)
MP2 ($43.74)
MP3 ($25.79)
CO ($24.65)
Hero ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, K. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.5, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.60) 6, Q, 9 (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets $0.93, Hero calls $0.93, BB folds.

Turn: ($3.46) T (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($3.46) 5 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $2, MP2 calls $2.

Final Pot: $7.46

Results in white below:
MP2 has 8c 8d (one pair, eights).
Hero has Qc Kc (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $7.46.

[Renton]

Here another one. This time I knew I was up against AA.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB ($15.74)
UTG ($23.90)
UTG+1 ($23.71)
MP1 ($22.40)
MP2 ($37.80)
MP3 ($46.31)
CO ($25.44)
Button ($24.30)
Hero ($28.08)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, Q. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $0.90, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.25) K, 3, Q (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $3.1, MP3 raises to $6.2, Hero calls $6.20, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($18.75) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $5.18, Hero calls $5.18.

River: ($29.11) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $7.73, Hero calls $15.70 (All-In), MP3 calls $7.97.

Final Pot: $60.51

Results in white below:
MP3 has Ah As (one pair, aces).
Hero has Kd Qd (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $60.51.

[journey075]

h1: i raise flop.

h2: great flop play, great turn play, great river play as long as you know he has AA. c/ring the flop looks suspicious and AA might slow down. raising turn is awful as the J looks like a terrible card. c/ring river basically says your chips are mine and at this point he cant get away from the hand.

i play the same even if i dont put him on AA. he HAS to have AK/AA here. either that or KQ.

[Renton]

h1: i raise flop.

really? Even given the possible read that he has a big pair in the hole?

[journey075]

flop is gonna be the cheapest place to find out. you cant really assume hes going to check turn.

[midas06]

Yeah, I raise the flop in hand 1.

I love in hand 2 how MP2 pots it then folds to a minraise

[bdawg56kg]

Hand 1. Why are you so suspicious of a big PP with a minraise preflop? Is this the new trend? I don't mind raising the flop or calling and re-evaluating the turn. I would def bet this turn though. Lot of ugly cards can come on the river.

Hand 2. KQs is a pretty hand, but it is easily dominated. Add to that your crappy position, and I think this is a fold preflop. I like the flop play. I would probably CR all in on the turn. Jack should not be a scare card for you. Only AT and JJ have you beat now that were behind on the turn, and given the flop action, it's pretty safe to think villian has neither. Your river line makes no sense. If you c/c the turn, then you should c/c the river. If you are looking to get all in, then the turn is the place to make a move, since you will either both be all in on the turn, or both of you will be committed. That is what you wanted right?

Lastly, how can you possibly put him squarely on AA? That's ridiculous. Not even pros can pin their opponent on one specific hand, barring exceptional reads and obvious bad play. You have to put him on a range of possible hands, and I don't see why you exclude KK/QQ.

[Renton]

Hand 1. Why are you so suspicious of a big PP with a minraise preflop? Is this the new trend?

Yes, along with limp-raising I see donks do this constantly. They're so afraid they won't get action, and since they don't multitable, they won't see this hand again for a while.

Hand 2. KQs is a pretty hand, but it is easily dominated. Add to that your crappy position, and I think this is a fold preflop.

I call with KQs in the face of a raise and play it just as if I called a raise with any other suited connector. Its a terrific drawing hand. In this situation, I always play KQs for the straight, flush or two pair only (as I would ANY drawing hand).

I also, given my other numerous poker handicaps, am really good at knowing when to fold a dominated pair. Not to brag, but I honestly can't remember the last time I lost a hand because of a dominated pair, xcept maybe in a tournament where you have no choice BUT to be dominated sometimes.

I would probably CR all in on the turn. Jack should not be a scare card for you. Only AT and JJ have you beat now that were behind on the turn, and given the flop action, it's pretty safe to think villian has neither. Your river line makes no sense. If you c/c the turn, then you should c/c the river. If you are looking to get all in, then the turn is the place to make a move, since you will either both be all in on the turn, or both of you will be committed. That is what you wanted right?

Like I said, I put him on AA, and went with my read. By that, I figured he only had two outs to win, and I didn't know if he was cognizant enough to be capable of folding aces, so I tried to subtly get all of his money in there in the most non threatening way.

Lastly, how can you possibly put him squarely on AA? That's ridiculous. Not even pros can pin their opponent on one specific hand, barring exceptional reads and obvious bad play. You have to put him on a range of possible hands, and I don't see why you exclude KK/QQ.

IMO, only AA and AK play like this. If he'd flopped a set of Kings or Queens he'd have treaded much more lightly. He wouldn't have felt the need to protect his hand with a flop minraise. That raised screamed overpair, I thought, and since the only overpair is AA....

[bdawg56kg]

Like I said, I put him on AA, and went with my read. By that, I figured he only had two outs to win, and I didn't know if he was cognizant enough to be capable of folding aces, so I tried to subtly get all of his money in there in the most non threatening way.

Renton, I can respect your read of AA/AK, but the point is that seeing another card will only make both of you "weaker", barring a miracle card. If he has AA, then hitting a ten would give him the nut straight, and if you hit your 4-outer to fill up, then both of you would have monster hands, but as a consequence the other player would probably not be willing to put more money in, and the action would dry up. That is why getting more money in on the turn is essential to stacking this guy. Also, if he has AA, he has 8 outs to beat you, not 2. That gives even more reason to get more money in on the turn, you want to protect your semi-vaunerable hand. Thinking players check behind on the river a lot more than you'd expect with AA here. I would probably lead the turn 1/2 - 2/3 pot and get the rest in on the river. A tight solid player will probably fold AA to a turn CR, if not check behind and look to showdown cheap.