Set on a straight looking board. flushy looking too.

[fasin8ing]

***** Hand History for Game 3545450981 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 20131963) - Mon Feb 13 00:13:48 EST 2006
Table Table 67509 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: StregaGames (1430)
Seat 2: fasin8ing1 (410)
Seat 3: chondi85 (365)
Seat 4: feelforit (1235)
Seat 5: pokerd117 (622)
Seat 6: DONNIE2509 (315)
Seat 7: Lazerus12 (1360)
Seat 8: articice333 (766)
Seat 9: dwr323 (670)
Seat 10: JoelNish (827)
articice333 posts small blind (15)
dwr323 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ Th, Td ]
JoelNish folds.
StregaGames folds.
fasin8ing1 raises (75) to 75
chondi85 folds.
feelforit folds.
pokerd117 raises (120) to 120
DONNIE2509 folds.
Lazerus12 folds.
articice333 folds.
dwr323 calls (90)
fasin8ing1 calls (45)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8h, Jc, Tc ]
dwr323 bets (30)
fasin8ing1 raises (125) to 125
pokerd117 calls (125)
dwr323 calls (95)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ]
dwr323 bets (425)

What makes sense.. Maybe A K .. good enough to re raise ... Is A Q possible here? Given he is in the BB ... Why would he bet 30 on that flop? He called my raise and then went all in when the King hit... Is he flushing? I still have one other person in the hand.. With about 500 in chips left, if i call im all in . Initial thoughts.. Push the flop... On second hand... Raise whatever and hope they keep digging, fingers crossed for the turn.. I may be behind here. I have 9 outs for a boat 1 out for quads. 10 outs.. total.. Good enough or not good enough?

[Warpe]

Push pre-flop. You're <10 bb. As is, push the flop when you hit your set. Your flop bet gives villain roughly 5:1 to chase a draw.

[fasin8ing]

Push pre-flop. You're <10 bb. As is, push the flop when you hit your set. Your flop bet gives villain roughly 5:1 to chase a draw.

Ignore my stack size for a sec.... If i would have raised him say 2/3rds the pot.. giving him 3:1 odds.. If you were villian .. are you chasing , and if your the other guy .. are you chasing.. When your three handed this is my dillema. 3: 1 for a flush, 3:1 for a straight. What am I betting on the turn ??? Give them less odds.. put them all in , or same odds? This is all +ev for me at this point correct?

[Renton]

Push pre-flop. You're <10 bb. As is, push the flop when you hit your set. Your flop bet gives villain roughly 5:1 to chase a draw.

QFT

I don't mind the preflop raise so much, but when you are reraised, push. No question about it. Take your coinflip and hope for the best.

[Scuba Chuck]

On the flop, your line really is thin. I'd either call (least preferred) or raise a shit more here. You rate to have the best hand right now, and really, you do not want to see another card. Time to charge.

Edit: I should add, all your bet did was give anyone with a hand that can beat you, correct odds to call you. In it of itself, it's not a horrible play if you know how to lay your hand down if a scare card comes. I would assume most here would say that's ludacrous (saying not charging some is bad), and to a large extent, they are correct, but only because these games are short-stacked tournaments (as opposed to deep stacked of course), and because no one can lay their hand down.

Double Edit: just noticed how puny you are. Pushing preflop is fine. The way you played it, for sure push the flop. On this flop, anything other than pushing is just bad poker. Another line to consider is to limp, and push to any raises, and try and isolate.

[fasin8ing]

On the flop, your line really is thin. I'd either call (least preferred) or raise a shit more here. You rate to have the best hand right now, and really, you do not want to see another card. Time to charge.

Edit: I should add, all your bet did was give anyone with a hand that can beat you, correct odds to call you. In it of itself, it's not a horrible play if you know how to lay your hand down if a scare card comes. I would assume most here would say that's ludacrous (saying not charging some is bad), and to a large extent, they are correct, but only because these games are short-stacked tournaments (as opposed to deep stacked of course), and because no one can lay their hand down.

Double Edit: just noticed how puny you are. Pushing preflop is fine. The way you played it, for sure push the flop. On this flop, anything other than pushing is just bad poker. Another line to consider is to limp, and push to any raises, and try and isolate.

Ignore my stack size for a sec.... If i would have raised him say 2/3rds the pot.. giving him 3:1 odds.. If you were villian .. are you chasing , and if your the other guy .. are you chasing.. When your three handed this is my dillema. 3: 1 for a flush, 3:1 for a straight. What am I betting on the turn ??? Give them less odds.. put them all in , or same odds? This is all +ev for me at this point correct?

[Scuba Chuck]

Ignore my stack size for a sec.... If i would have raised him say 2/3rds the pot.. giving him 3:1 odds.. If you were villian .. are you chasing , and if your the other guy .. are you chasing.. When your three handed this is my dillema. 3: 1 for a flush, 3:1 for a straight. What am I betting on the turn ??? Give them less odds.. put them all in , or same odds? This is all +ev for me at this point correct?

If you spend the time to write out your thought process I'll critique it. I'll give you one thing with certainty, if I am dwr323, and I am on the FD, I'm certainly making the overcall. Which if I was even smarter, I would realize I would also have to draw to your river bet (given your current stacksize), so I would be more inclined to shove. But if you were deeper, I'd certainly make the overcall.

[Warpe]

Push pre-flop. You're <10 bb. As is, push the flop when you hit your set. Your flop bet gives villain roughly 5:1 to chase a draw.

Ignore my stack size for a sec.... If i would have raised him say 2/3rds the pot.. giving him 3:1 odds.. If you were villian .. are you chasing , and if your the other guy .. are you chasing.. When your three handed this is my dillema. 3: 1 for a flush, 3:1 for a straight. What am I betting on the turn ??? Give them less odds.. put them all in , or same odds? This is all +ev for me at this point correct?

The goal is always to put your opposition in the position of making a mistake and capitalizing on it when he does. That's +EV. Chasing a flush draw on the flop when you're given 3:1 odds is not a mistake when your odds of catching are 1 in 3 with two cards to come as well as two more rounds of betting (implied odds). So, the mistake is yours by virtue of the fact that you've given the opposition favourable odds to chase, which is -EV.

In a multi-way pot, every subsequent caller in after every preceding caller gets even better pot odds, so you need to increase your bet size to compensate somewhat. In this case, with two other players in I'd be betting the pot (at minimum, and ignoring your stack size in this case) on the flop. Now, first villain is facing 2:1 odds to chase. He should fold if he's on the flush draw. If he does, second villain faces the same odds and should fold also if he's on the draw. If first villain calls, however, second villain is now getting 3:1 odds to chase, increasing the likelihood that he will call.

On a blank turn, now the odds of villains catching on the river are, very roughly, cut in half, which means your bet does not have to be as large in relation to the pot to still be giving bad odds - but you still need to give the opposition bad odds to call.

More mathematically inclined posters can give you a more detailed analysis, but that's the general gist.

fascin8ing, in looking at your other hands this is a common error on your part, as others have pointed out. You need to bet more aggressively when you are ahead or the suckouts will continue. But at least you didn't slow play this set for once, although in effect it's almost as good as

Keep posting these. You'll get there.

[andy-akb]

Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: fasin8ing1 (410)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ Th, Td ]
fasin8ing1 raises (75) to 75
pokerd117 raises (120) to 120
dwr323 calls (90)
fasin8ing1 calls (45)

After this you have 290, why are you calling off a third of your stack here and not pushing? You say several times "ignore my stack size," but thats tough to do here. Do you have less than 10BB? No, but you still have a tiny stack and you have as good a hand as you will get. PUSH, or atleast pushing over his raise. Ive told you this before, a theme I see in a lot of your hand histories is that when you are a small [tiny] stack you often try to play too fancy when you dont have the chips to do that. What is your reasoning for not getting all in preflop? You have to go over your own play and ask yourself these questions, this is a huge leak.

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8h, Jc, Tc ]
dwr323 bets (30)
fasin8ing1 raises (125) to 125
pokerd117 calls (125)
dwr323 calls (95)

Pot size on the flop: 375
Your stack on the flop: 290

DWR leads with a ridiculous bet here, and then you raise to only about 1/3 the size of the pot, putting in a little less than half your chips. Your stack is less than the size of the pot, if you are going to bet it needs to be all in. You have a tiny stack and hit a set of 10s on the flop, what else do you want? Why dont you push here? There are clear draws on the board, you dont want people drawing out on you, but you are giving them the odds to. Again you say "Ignore the stack size." Ok. Here I would lead out with around a pot sized bet, maybe 2/3 the pot, both would lead to you putting in your whole stack.

** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ]
dwr323 bets (425)

Size of the pot on the turn: 750
Your stack: 165
After DWRs bet [for you]: 915
Your odds: 6:1

Call. Your opponent probably hit a flush, you gave him the odds to do so though. You have 9 outs to hit a boat and 1 out for quadsa, correct me if im wrong, but dont you only need 4:1 odds to make that call correct? Regardless of the odds, you have to call here the way you played it.

Ignore my stack size for a sec.... If i would have raised him say 2/3rds the pot.. giving him 3:1 odds.. If you were villian .. are you chasing , and if your the other guy .. are you chasing.. When your three handed this is my dillema. 3: 1 for a flush, 3:1 for a straight. What am I betting on the turn ??? Give them less odds.. put them all in , or same odds? This is all +ev for me at this point correct?

This goes back to what we have been saying, no matter what you do, any reasonable raise has you all in on the flop. Giving the first caller about 2.4:1 odds to call and if they call, it then gives the other caller about 3.4:1 odds to call. By betting less than that you give them better than the odds they need to call. By looking at this it should be clear that going all-in is the best option if you played all the way to the flop. I still would push over the preflop reraiser, I think that is the best way to play this hand.