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  1. #1

    Default Wise raise?

    I had a strong feeling this guy missed the flop since he raised strong preflop. I was 99% certain it was just a [overly] large continuation bet to scare us out of the pot.

    My main question is if this is a wise idea with the amount of people in the pot. (should i only risk it vs 1-2 opponents?) And was the raise too small/large?

    PokerStars Game #4293433437: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2006/03/15 - 01:00:04 (ET)
    Table 'Euanthe IV' Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Zeblunt ($5.52 in chips)
    Seat 2: azureXsmurF ($4.99 in chips)
    Seat 3: RoyalPainter ($6.33 in chips)
    Seat 4: southernmann ($1.20 in chips)
    Seat 5: carterfamily ($11.27 in chips)
    Seat 6: markatmsum ($3.53 in chips)
    Seat 7: ïM $o LuCKy ($4.54 in chips)
    Seat 8: gringobonk ($4.42 in chips)
    Seat 9: skoolyrat ($1.84 in chips)
    southernmann: posts small blind $0.01
    carterfamily: posts big blind $0.02
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to azureXsmurF [Kc Qs]
    markatmsum: calls $0.02
    ïM $o LuCKy: folds
    gringobonk: folds
    skoolyrat: calls $0.02
    Zeblunt: raises $0.08 to $0.10
    azureXsmurF: calls $0.10
    RoyalPainter: calls $0.10
    southernmann: folds
    markatmsum said, "what is your flop percentage royal?"
    carterfamily: folds
    markatmsum: calls $0.08
    skoolyrat: calls $0.08
    *** FLOP *** [9c 9s Td]
    markatmsum: checks
    skoolyrat: checks
    Zeblunt: bets $0.40
    azureXsmurF: raises $0.99 to $1.39
    .....
  2. #2
    Fold pre-flop, KQo is not a hand you want to be calling raises with.

    Fold the flop, would you have called a raise with a 9? I'd play AA/KK same as villian and push in a heartbeat.
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    why are we bluffing into smallish multiway pots with garbage?
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    No.

    1) Don't play KQo
    2) What hands are you beating on the flop? KJ at best = Fold.
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    Only play KQ offsuit in an unraised pot.

    Theres a thread about this from yesterday in the Holdem Strategies section.
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    oh yeah.

    and don't bluff at 5nl.

    Ever. Ever. Ever.

    you can make 20+ptbb/100 just by set farming and raising AK at these levels.
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    Fold pre-flop, KQo is not a hand you want to be calling raises with.
    1) Don't play KQo
    Only play KQ offsuit in an unraised pot.
    Don't make me come over there. If you fold KQo every time a pot is raised, then you're losing out on a lot of value against opponents who are making a shitload of mistakes before and after the flop. I'm almost certain this table is offering up some bad opponents. You gotta stop folding KQo to a raise on principle. It's just incorrect. There's a lot of money to be won. Preflop in cash game is merely a barometer of ranges. Ranges which are inherently weaker against bad opponents.

    You fold KQo to a raise in an aggressive game, against skilled opponents who are less inclined to make a lot of preflop and postflop mistakes. On this table, you'll have a hand where A8 offsuit will raise, you'll call with KQ, and someone behind you will call with Q4. The flop will come out Q high, and you'll empty the stack of Q4. It happens all the time. Think about it as the bad players paying you to occasionally lose money to a domination.

    If you're in a game where the villains raising range is AJs+, and everyone else's calling range is AQ+, then you of course fold KQo every time. This is not that game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    oh yeah, and don't bluff at 5nl. Ever. Ever. Ever. You can make 20+ptbb/100 just by set farming and raising AK at these levels.
    Right on
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