$55 Speed - OK, let's play some postflop

[Scuba Chuck]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 (t4298)
MP2 (t1624)
MP3 (t852)
CO (t1940)
Button (t1604)
Hero (t1960)
BB (t2000)
UTG (t2060)
UTG+1 (t2000)
UTG+2 (t1662)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, Q.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t40, 5 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) K, 5, 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets t120, Hero raises to t265, BB folds, UTG+2 calls t145.

So often, when checked to, the last guy will bet with air. I wanted to raise an amount I didn't mind folding to if he shoved, and an amount that would make him think a little if he called, assuming he had complete air. So I just bet the pot, which gave him decent odds, but I wanted to keep the pot semi-small. If called, my plan was to lead any non heart turn. If he outplays me with the flush if it hits, I don't mind.

Turn: (t650) A (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets t125, Hero calls t125.

Well, this card was unfortunate. Again, often times fish make an ego call on the checkraise I made on the flop with Ax, so I was feeling a little worse about my pot equity at the moment. His bet was innocuous, so I called.

River: (t900) J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets t360, Hero calls t360.

Well, I called the turn, and the river was a non-heart, time to bear my soul. Thoughts on the hand anyone?

Final Pot: t1620

[THaC]

KJ?

[daluchy]

Why check-raise the flop? I'd rather bet the pot there to control odds rather than let people try and do it themselves.

I don't think the raise is enough, I know it's enough to break their odds but it isn't horrible enough to make it that profitable.

Turn and river are fine.

[nogenius]

Here I would just call the flop to keep the pot small, and then assuming a non-scare card on the turn, would consider raising there.

If called, I'd play the river cautiously.

[mcatdog]

I think you're almost never good on the river. What do you think he has that you're beating? Have you seen this player bluff a lot?

[Scuba Chuck]

I think you're almost never good on the river. What do you think he has that you're beating? Have you seen this player bluff a lot?

Never seen him before.

[Scuba Chuck]

Here I would just call the flop to keep the pot small, and then assuming a non-scare card on the turn, would consider raising there.

If called, I'd play the river cautiously.

Just calling is my usual line, and I still think I like it best. That being said, I am definately leading the turn, not c/ring without a scare card. I think I played this hand differently due to the fact that there was no one left behind me to act, and the few people in the hand to begin with. Neither reason of course is cogent.

[Scuba Chuck]

I don't think the raise is enough, I know it's enough to break their odds but it isn't horrible enough to make it that profitable.

What amount of a raise is enough? Is there anything that can happen in this hand that can make you fold? Are you willing to go to the felt here on the flop with this hand?

[vqc]

Scuba can u explain why u didnt just lead out on the flop?

If villian has air and folds you gain more chips than if u had just lead out and everyone folded. I can see that much, but is there value lost when you just lead the pot for 90 chips?

[Scuba Chuck]

Scuba can u explain why u didnt just lead out on the flop?

is there value lost when you just lead the pot for 90 chips?

Aren't you answering your own question?

[vqc]

Scuba can u explain why u didnt just lead out on the flop?

is there value lost when you just lead the pot for 90 chips?

Aren't you answering your own question?

I have no clue wat goes on inside ur head when u play, so while the second question may be redundant given a specific answer, I could also see something like "I think i get slightly more value byt C/R but not much if any is lost by betting 90". In which case My second question wouldnt necessarily be the answer for the first question.

How often do you check raise TPGK on a two flush board?
How would u play it if ti was 5 handed to the flop?

[Scuba Chuck]

How would u play it if ti was 5 handed to the flop?

Give me the action, and I'll answer you tomorrow. I'm going to bed.

Oh btw, villain had 7h 8h

[daluchy]

I don't think the raise is enough, I know it's enough to break their odds but it isn't horrible enough to make it that profitable.

What amount of a raise is enough? Is there anything that can happen in this hand that can make you fold? Are you willing to go to the felt here on the flop with this hand?

I'd like to see something closer to a 3-bet than closer to a min-raise.

[TLR]

Unless you have a read on the villian that he c-bets I think I bet the flop. There is a heart and str8 draw and the BB is still involved, I dont want to give a free card.
Once he bet I think I raise a bit more on the check-raise, if he pushes I fold but you gave him odds to call with anything other then complete crap.
The turn is a scare card for you. I think I am willing to cut my losses there, however is pathetic bet makes it very tempting to call.
On the river I think you are behind, I check/fold it.

what hands do you ut him on that your actually ahead on the river ?

[Scuba Chuck]

I don't think the raise is enough, I know it's enough to break their odds but it isn't horrible enough to make it that profitable.

What amount of a raise is enough? Is there anything that can happen in this hand that can make you fold? Are you willing to go to the felt here on the flop with this hand?

I'd like to see something closer to a 3-bet than closer to a min-raise.

If you're going to answer, answer all three questions.

[Scuba Chuck]

Unless you have a read on the villian that he c-bets I think I bet the flop. There is a heart and str8 draw and the BB is still involved, I dont want to give a free card.


what hands do you ut him on that your actually ahead on the river ?

Part 1: What are you sooooo concerned with that makes you want to lead? Is it your nature to want to win this hand (cos I don't care about this hand)? I could give two shits about the pot at this time, there's 120 chips in it. There are plenty of other reasons to check this flop. Betting is better than open folding to me at this point.

Now, if there were 500 chips in the pot, I'd feel more inclined to lead.

Part 2: A bluff, lower pairs, and pocket pairs.

[TLR]

Unless you have a read on the villian that he c-bets I think I bet the flop. There is a heart and str8 draw and the BB is still involved, I dont want to give a free card.


what hands do you ut him on that your actually ahead on the river ?

Part 1: What are you sooooo concerned with that makes you want to lead? Is it your nature to want to win this hand (cos I don't care about this hand)? I could give two shits about the pot at this time, there's 120 chips in it. There are plenty of other reasons to check this flop. Betting is better than open folding to me at this point.

Now, if there were 500 chips in the pot, I'd feel more inclined to lead.

Part 2: A bluff, lower pairs, and pocket pairs.

part1: I am concerned about the BB seeing another card for free with str8 and flush draw

part2: what hand range would he limp preflop with ?

[Scuba Chuck]

part1: I am concerned about the BB seeing another card for free with str8 and flush draw

part2: what hand range would he limp preflop with ?

Part1: Why do you care?

Part 2: Any two cards.[/quote]

[vqc]

part1: I am concerned about the BB seeing another card for free with str8 and flush draw

part2: what hand range would he limp preflop with ?

Part1: Why do you care?

Part 2: Any two cards.

[/quote]

Are u saying that 120 chips is so little for u that if u cant pull off ur manly (pineapple888) checkraise u dont mind folding to ugly cards on the turn?

I would also like to echo some thoughts from the other thread as well.
Wouldnt C/C garner u more value than C/R?

[Scuba Chuck]

Are u saying that 120 chips is so little for u that if u cant pull off ur manly (pineapple888) checkraise u dont mind folding to ugly cards on the turn?

I would also like to echo some thoughts from the other thread as well.
Wouldnt C/C garner u more value than C/R?

Yes, that's why I wrote this (from above - in case you missed).

Just calling is my usual line, and I still think I like it best. That being said, I am definately leading the turn, not c/ring without a scare card. I think I played this hand differently due to the fact that there was no one left behind me to act, and the few people in the hand to begin with. Neither reason of course is cogent.

Oh, and for those of you who are interested

[daluchy]

I don't think the raise is enough, I know it's enough to break their odds but it isn't horrible enough to make it that profitable.

What amount of a raise is enough? Is there anything that can happen in this hand that can make you fold? Are you willing to go to the felt here on the flop with this hand?

I'd like to see something closer to a 3-bet than closer to a min-raise.

If you're going to answer, answer all three questions.

Meh, well if I get my re-raise raised AI, perhaps. And no, I'd just rather try and protect my hand better.

[Scuba Chuck]

If you're going to answer, answer all three questions.

Meh, well if I get my re-raise raised AI, perhaps. And no, I'd just rather try and protect my hand better.

Ok, ding ding. It's worth your time to think more about your thought process.