100NL Flop Play...

[Darby]

***** Hand History for Game 3805394921 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 23, 17:11:23 ET 2006
Table Table 96295 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 5: gurre0 ( $133.72 )
Seat 6: KingRaiser ( $183.25 )
Seat 7: marc_striker ( $115.78 )
Seat 2: gt281h80 ( $112.20 )
Seat 4: potikunn ( $86.05 )
Seat 3: WhyNotBluff1 ( $115.77 )
Seat 8: luckychuck21 ( $39.56 )
Seat 1: Tony_Bravado ( $109.75 )
Seat 9: Cog_nizanT ( $104.90 )
Seat 10: mailman57 ( $100 )
gt281h80 posts small blind [$0.50].
WhyNotBluff1 posts big blind [$1].
mailman57 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gt281h80 [ Kd 4d ]
potikunn folds.
gurre0 calls [$1].
KingRaiser calls [$1].
marc_striker folds.
luckychuck21 calls [$1].
Cog_nizanT folds.
mailman57 checks.
Tony_Bravado folds.
gt281h80 calls [$0.50].
WhyNotBluff1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Ks, Jd ]
gt281h80 checks.
WhyNotBluff1 checks.
gurre0 bets [$1].
KingRaiser folds.
luckychuck21 calls [$1].
mailman57 calls [$1].
gt281h80 raises [$6].
WhyNotBluff1 folds.
gurre0 calls [$5].
luckychuck21 folds.
mailman57 folds.

Standard? I am probably behind how but against anything but KJ/K8 or a set I have 12 outs to improve. Ill post the rest later.

[bair]

i never raise top pair with a flush draw, doyle brunson told me not to

[midas06]

Nice hand. Fairly standard I believe

[sejje]

That's a good line. I call there sometimes.

I'm really hoping someone makes a flush under mine. You're not folding a whole lot of top pair hands that are in this pot.

Turn line? Are you checking behind when you miss a diamond?

[NLHE lahooozaher]

I lead this flop because c/r'ing sucks if you miss and taking it down now is fine to. Also if you c/r and the turn misses and you bet then somebody raises you that spot really sucks. I wouldn't bet the turn because the cold call of a bet and raise from that guy, it's hard to tell whether he has a monster or a shitty draw like QT(I lean towards a bad draw). If you had any kind of stats on him or read on him that could narrow down his EP open limping range that would make this much easier.

I also realize I'm contradicting myself in this post but I'm really undecided and just thinking out loud.

[Darby]

ALright...

The turn comes

What is my play with 2 pair at this point... Pot is 20 dollars and I have about 100 dollars behind andvillain has me covered.

[Renton]

Board: Ks Jd 8d 4h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 94.6069 % 94.12% 00.49% { Kd4d }
Hand 2: 05.3931 % 04.90% 00.49% { random }

At this point you are ahead of almost every hand. I would basically play this like I had the nuts and valuebet (maybe 1/2 pot).

[Darby]

Also, what I havent posted yet, is that this guy is not a good player, he has been calling raises with A-rag and 10-9 off suit once. I am almost positive I have him beat, even if I was behind on the flop.

[mxiu]

Fairly standard. I like leading the flop here too, however.

And hey.. I call 10-9 offsuit to a raise sometimes. In LP of course. Take a stab at any low flop/draw? Or I may just be spewing chips here.

[DaHorror]

If he's that bad, then he just has a draw or a crappy pair again. Probably QJo or somesuch.
Value bet the turn.
The check-raise against a calling station here may not be so hot...however, unless he bets top pair this weakly, it's fine.

[Alibi]

Meh, I fold this preflop. It's a shitty hand out of position.

[WildBobAA]

I pot the flop.

[Irisheyes]

I pot the flop.

What if we have no flush draw?

[Darby]

I know K4s is a crap hand, but there are a bunch of limpers so I figure I can call the .50 to try to hit a flop. K4o I'd just pitch and probably check fold any K-x-x flop.