Topic for Discussion: Multitable SNGs..and where they belong

[vqc]

This was brought up in a PM and with a whopping 2 posts on the subject showing up on the front page, I figured that it was finally time to take the subject public.

How should we classify 10 table and 20 table SNGs? Should we keep them in the STT forum? Move them to the MTT forum? Should we rename the STT forum to Single Table Tournaments, thus alienating the 3-5 table SNGs (which i think are pretty close to STTs)? SHould the STTs include 1-5 table tournaments but exclude all those that are higher?

[drmcboy]

let's merge them back into 1.

but since I know you'll hate that, keep 1 or 2 tables here, rest should go in MTT. MTT needs more traffic.

[Scuba Chuck]

This seems like a pretty easy answer. I would think that any game that seems more like an MTT should be in MTTs. Anygame that seems more like an STT, should stay here. The cutoff is gray. I think the obvious solution is that 3 table SNGs should stay here. The PokerStars 180 man (9table) SNGs should go to MTT. Anything in between should be posted in anyone's preferred forum (so they get the most responses of course).

[Warpe]

Multi-Table Tournmanents & SNGs
Single-Table SNGs and HU Matches

[Staresy]

1, 2 and 3 tables here.

>3 = MTT

[donkbee]

I guess that when I'm deciding where to post, I kinda decide if the situation is more a SnG-related question or a MTT-related question. For the 3 and 5 tables, I don't think it matters that much. I've posted questions regarding 5 table SnGs in both the MTT forum and the SnG forum. I think it's fine letting people use their discretion. And besides, if you feel it's posted in the wrong forum, you can easily move it.

Questions about the 90s and 180s should probably always be posted in the MTT forum.

[kingnat]

In terms of how they are played, SnGs are essentially very small field MTTs, right? I understand there are more aspects to a MTT since there are various stages of early-game, middle-game, on the bubble, Final Table, HU, etc. Whereas SnGs due to timed nature are pretty much, Early-game, bubble, HU, without all the other steps in between.

As the number of tables increases you are forced into different types of decisions and situations that aren't always present in a STT. I think anything more than 5-tables is definitely a MTT post...

Not that anyone talks about them, but I think Shootouts are probably more appropriate for the SnG forum, since they play more like STTs than they due MTT due to how the tourney is split up.

Thanks for addressing this idea vqc...

[Stagemn]

Just a word of thought decides a SnG vs. MTT... rebuys (and add-ons)

At PS, in just the SnG tab, you have a choice of either HU, 1-table, 2-table, 3-table, 5-table, 10-table, and 20-table games.

I mainly play 5-tables as it takes about 1 1/2 hours to play on the average. Here, I am able to allow PT (w/ PokerAce) get reads and make better decsions later on in the later levels to help me win it all. Of course, when I get to the final table, I play untra conservative until I am ITM (7th or higher).

I post all of my stuff here in the SnG because I believe that as long as there is no rebuys (or add ons), it is trully a Sit N Go. 10-table games might push to be a MTT, but I'd say to all... is it a SnG (starts when regristration is full) and does it not include any rebuys or add ons?

[daluchy]

I think single table sngs are a breed of their own really. I try to give advice on multi table (including just 2 table) ones and I get kinda stuck because the situations you get are totally different.

It's stupid to put STT all by themselves though, so I think you can group 1-3 tables SnG in the same forum, they are close enough, but anything bigger is definately more of a MTT format.

[zenbitz]

1, 2 and 3 tables here.

>3 = MTT

[azureXsmurF]

I Think the 4 and 5 tablers should be here too.

The big jump is when you go from the 5 table SnGs to the 10 Table SnGs... I think the 10/20 tables should be in MTT.

[vqc]

OK right now we have to trains of thought

Idea 1
HU 1, 2 and 3 table SNGs in the STT forum
4 and higher ( aka # tables > 3) in the MTT forum

Idea 2
1-5 Table here
10 and 20 there (MTT)

Idea Scuba (goddamn this guy always gets his own shit!) =P JUST BECUASE UR OLD!
1-3 Table here
10 and 20 there
everything in betweeen is up to the poster

being that Idea scuba seems to be the most flexible, I think that it is the best idea.

Should we put this up to a vote?
Does anyone really have a BIG whomping OMG I HATE THIS IDEA that they would like to vocalize/textize?

[jyms]

Personally, to add to the confusion, isn't a FT strategy more to the 1 table S&G side and the beginning of a 5 table more of the MTT train of thought. Would the amount of players left in (the tourny) , starting (the tourney) and/or stack differences at the table, be more necessary to the plot. I think the questions that you post has to classify the place you go. No?

[drmcboy]

FT of MTT is not at all the same as an SNG. Payout structure alone makes a 10000% difference. There are zero dollars going from 9th to 7th in an SNG, often lots of $$ in a MTT.

[zenbitz]

"posters choice" at 4-9 tables is silly. The whole point of having separate forums is so that you can find what you are looking for. If you play only 7-table SNGS, you have to read BOTH forums for the 1% of the traffic that applies to 7tablers!

OK, contrived example - but it's stil silly.

[fasin8ing]

Drmc makes a good point.

SNG's there are no deals to be made. No money for 4th, 5th , 6th etc. You are playing with one chip leader at a one table SNG. As MTT's or Multiple tables within a SNG combine.. At least 3 people will have a 2:1 chip lead over the majority of the table when they go to one table. When you are down to 3 people left in a MTT you chip stacks are way different than a single table 3 handed game. I dont know if the strategy within the two forums will be able to agree with each other. Are you gonna play differently for 3rd place in a 1 TBL SNG to get ITM than you would for 6th with 7 people left in the game? You betcha ..
2cents.

[jyms]

FT of MTT is not at all the same as an SNG. Payout structure alone makes a 10000% difference. There are zero dollars going from 9th to 7th in an SNG, often lots of $$ in a MTT.

I agree, (with the limited knowledge I have), but doesn't HU, Position, stack sizes, players remaining and getting ITM end up generally the same, as far as (i.e: I was in EP with JJ and had the second largest stack, with 5 players, blah blah) is concerned. I'm not trying to belittle the questions but, for posting, would it not be easier if its based on the sort of things like lots of players in S&G's and MTT's versus FT and 1 table S&G's. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't have the time for 3000+ player MTT's so I could be talking out of turn. I've used alot of the MTT post's for advice myself, on the 3,5 and 10 table S&G's more successfully than the 1 table S&G strategies.