Set on the turn.. donk betting on the flop. PARTY Poka.

[fasin8ing]

I came close to folding to any bet on that flop.. 75 betting .. Seems like he is paying to draw.. Or did he hit a King.. I never can put people on hands when they do this. When someone calls a UTG,+1/EP raise.. What does that mean when in middle position? He called my EP raise.. Iam thinking K Q... or another PP.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+2 (t810)
MP1 (t1393)
MP2 (t2549)
MP3 (t633)
CO (t3767)
Button (t2360)
SB (t1560)
BB (t1161)
UTG (t3847)
Hero (t1920)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7, 7.
UTG calls t60, Hero raises to t180, 2 folds, MP2 calls t180, 5 folds, UTG calls t120.

Flop: (t630) K, Q, 6 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets t75, UTG calls t75, Hero calls t75.

Turn: (t855) 7 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t200, MP2 calls t200, UTG calls t200.

River: (t1455) 2 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t350, MP2 calls t350, UTG folds.

Final Pot: t2155

[Fortune 500]

I don't mind the call. It's not bad because you close out the betting. Let's say you and MP2 switched positions and he was left to act behind you. Do you still call it?

I have to ask. Why kick it up with pocket 7s. You've got 8 to act behind you, and an UTG limper. You certainly can't stand a reraise behind you from here. Limping is a much better line.

You've got a hand, but aggression is more about position than cards. Limp... hit a set... then go nuts.

[nogenius]

1. Limp for set value here. Raising is bad, especially given your poor position.
2. Calling the flop bet is bad, you aren't getting odds to call and you have no idea what the price for the river card will be.
3. Bet more on the turn - I'd say 500 or thereabouts.
3. I check/call a reasonable bet on the river.

[fasin8ing]

I don't mind the call. It's not bad because you close out the betting. Let's say you and MP2 switched positions and he was left to act behind you. Do you still call it?

I have to ask. Why kick it up with pocket 7s. You've got 8 to act behind you, and an UTG limper. You certainly can't stand a reraise behind you from here. Limping is a much better line.

You've got a hand, but aggression is more about position than cards. Limp... hit a set... then go nuts.

Change of pace. I have been raising in position with PP's. Your right, I was out of position and should have limped.. I kinda like callers though.. Puts me more at ease knowing I raised PF. I am trying to play raise fold poker. Some think Iam too passive. When you raise though in postion its nice when you dont hit your set and the flop is not scary and checked back to you for a free card.. Or in this case for 75 chips. I dont mind that .. But to answer your question .. I limp 66-10 out of EP all day long.

[Fortune 500]

Change of pace. I have been raising in position with PP's. Your right, I was out of position and should have limped.. I kinda like callers though.. Puts me more at ease knowing I raised PF. I am trying to play raise fold poker. Some think Iam too passive. When you raise though in postion its nice when you dont hit your set and the flop is not scary and checked back to you for a free card.. Or in this case for 75 chips. I dont mind that .. But to answer your question .. I limp 66-10 out of EP all day long.

I would say generally, raising rather than calling is good. This is an exception, though. With 7s, you're really looking to hit a set and stack someone. Raising UTG here doesn't get more money in the pot, it thins the field. I let more people into the pot here... that way one is more likely to pay e off with a set. Your 7s are rarely going to win a showdown. You've got to improve here to take down this pot.

[fasin8ing]

Change of pace. I have been raising in position with PP's. Your right, I was out of position and should have limped.. I kinda like callers though.. Puts me more at ease knowing I raised PF. I am trying to play raise fold poker. Some think Iam too passive. When you raise though in postion its nice when you dont hit your set and the flop is not scary and checked back to you for a free card.. Or in this case for 75 chips. I dont mind that .. But to answer your question .. I limp 66-10 out of EP all day long.

I would say generally, raising rather than calling is good. This is an exception, though. With 7s, you're really looking to hit a set and stack someone. Raising UTG here doesn't get more money in the pot, it thins the field. I let more people into the pot here... that way one is more likely to pay e off with a set. Your 7s are rarely going to win a showdown. You've got to improve here to take down this pot.

Fortune.. Not saying you are wrong.. Limping is correct. I 100% agree. Here an example of what just took place. Its hard to get rid of this at this point. Even on a mono flop... If he hit his flush and raised all in .. Which doesnt make sense to me.. I may very well have one too. However; If i raised there is no way this would have happened. I also agree about stacking. I also 100% agree about improving.. Sets dont win showdowns. Betting 60 into this flop and him being a maniac anyways.. I like my spot here. He has tried to bully people around by betting 1001 into a 200 pot. I lose this all day long and I can go to bed happy tonight knowing I had a good hand.. I should have raised.. This would not of happened.. I would have got flushed out instead. LOL.. Shit happens .. I still limp .. I posted this to show you I dont have a problem with limping for sets.. I also dont have problem going broke here. Thanks for the advice.


#Game No : 3843355311
***** Hand History for Game 3843355311 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $6 Buy-in Trny:21484264 Level:2 Blinds(30/60) - Tuesday, March 28, 23:27:24 ET 2006
Table Deeper In Debt (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 8: fasin8ing1 ( $2110 )
Seat 1: houstros ( $2840 )
Seat 2: kdogg71 ( $1745 )
Seat 10: griffstone2 ( $1880 )
Seat 5: temptingdeat ( $1120 )
Seat 6: ECHOSOX ( $1510 )
Seat 3: allsnake ( $2480 )
Seat 4: ATSHO ( $4260 )
Seat 9: tj_ont ( $2055 )
Trny:21484264 Level:2
Blinds(30/60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ 8h 8s ]
ATSHO folds.
temptingdeat folds.
ECHOSOX calls [60].
fasin8ing1 calls [60].
tj_ont calls [60].
griffstone2 calls [60].
houstros folds.
kdogg71 calls [30].
allsnake checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 8c, 4c ]
kdogg71 checks.
allsnake bets [60].
ECHOSOX calls [60].
fasin8ing1 raises [200].
tj_ont folds.
griffstone2 folds.
kdogg71 folds.
allsnake is all-In [2360]
ECHOSOX folds.
fasin8ing1 is all-In [1850]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
fasin8ing1 shows [ 8h, 8s ] three of a kind, eights.
allsnake shows [ 5d, 7s ] a straight, five to nine.

[FlyingSaucy]

1. Limp for set value here. Raising is bad, especially given your poor position.
2. Calling the flop bet is bad, you aren't getting odds to call and you have no idea what the price for the river card will be.
3. Bet more on the turn - I'd say 500 or thereabouts.
3. I check/call a reasonable bet on the river.

Exactly what he said.

[fasin8ing]

1. Limp for set value here. Raising is bad, especially given your poor position.
2. Calling the flop bet is bad, you aren't getting odds to call and you have no idea what the price for the river card will be.
3. Bet more on the turn - I'd say 500 or thereabouts.
3. I check/call a reasonable bet on the river.

Exactly what he said.

What do you do with that set above you ? 8 8 8 .