Juba the Baghdad Sniper

[PO$$E$$ED]

Have any of you guys heard about him or seen his videos? He never takes more than one shot, never sticks around long enough to get caught, and is considerate enough to videotape it all. Every time he makes a kill he leaves a single cartridge at the scene, along with a note that reads in Arabic, "What has been taken in blood cannot be regained except by blood. Baghdad Sniper". He claims to have killed 143 GIs so far, and is quickly turning into a legend in Iraq. The U.S. military claims he doesn't exist.
The videos I linked are pretty chilling, and I wouldn't advise watching them if you're easily disturbed, or if you don't see any redeeming value in watching a GI get plunked while he's eating a sandwich in his tank turret.

articles on Juba:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juba_%28sniper%29
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...542823,00.html

videos of Juba in action:
WARNING- NSFW, GRAPHIC
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SsXoqlH8kOU&search=juba
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nu_s25oAn1U&search=juba

[a500lbgorilla]

He's doing what he thinks is right, you can't hate him for that.

And apparently, he's very good at what he does. But is video taping it really neccessary?

[ProZachNation]

I have mixed feelings about this, I hate that he is killing Americans, but at least he isnt a spineless fuck who bombs innocent people.

Anyone else get what I mean?

[Warpe]

But is video taping it really neccessary?

Propaganda value. Al Jazeera will lap it up.

[Lukie]

He's doing what he thinks is right, you can't hate him for that.

sure you can

I have mixed feelings about this, I hate that he is killing Americans, but at least he isnt a spineless fuck who bombs innocent people.

ah yes because we are in Iraq to intentionally bomb and kill as many innocents as possible. give me a break...

[ProZachNation]

Lukie wow way off base, I was talking about the insurgents with roadside bombs or suicide bombers who bombed just random places.

Sure America has fucked up and accidentally bombed some civilian facilities but they never intentionally attack civilans.

[Warpe]

I was gonna say you'll never see this story covered in the US media but I found this:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1604797&WNT=true

[boost]

Lukie wow way off base, I was talking about the insurgents with roadside bombs or suicide bombers who bombed just random places.

Sure America has fucked up and accidentally bombed some civilian facilities but they never intentionally attack civilans.

they havent? I dont really wanna get into a big debate here and I wont. However the US has killed plenty of civilians intentionally. This side.. that side.. theres a lot more in common then in contrast, youd be suprised.

[Lukie]

Lukie wow way off base, I was talking about the insurgents with roadside bombs or suicide bombers who bombed just random places.

Sure America has fucked up and accidentally bombed some civilian facilities but they never intentionally attack civilans.

Ahh prozach my apologies. I definately misinterpreted what you said. I thought you were trying to imply something like U.S. pilots were intentionally bombing civilian places or something. My bad...

[Lukie]

Lukie wow way off base, I was talking about the insurgents with roadside bombs or suicide bombers who bombed just random places.

Sure America has fucked up and accidentally bombed some civilian facilities but they never intentionally attack civilans.

they havent? I dont really wanna get into a big debate here and I wont. However the US has killed plenty of civilians intentionally. This side.. that side.. theres a lot more in common then in contrast, youd be suprised.

I don't buy this. Sorry.

Are there exceptions where it does happen? I'm not going to be ignorant and deny it, but those cases would be the exception, not the rule.

[ilikeaces86]

Hopefully this guy gets what is coming to him..... A bullet to the head

[Lukie]

Hopefully this guy gets what is coming to him..... A bullet to the head

[midas06]

hahaha aces is rite ya fucking sjipers need the death penalty if they evere get cauht yano

[a500lbgorilla]

He's doing what he thinks is right, you can't hate him for that.

sure you can

That would be like hating George Washington for fighting against the british becuase he believed it was right. Hating him just becuase he's an enemy is fine.

[Warpe]

Are these guys any different?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...6271952413_269

[PO$$E$$ED]

I linked an article about another sniper who fights for the insurgency, this guy's claimed 29 kills(20 Americans 9 Iraqi).
Fascinating read, provides insight into what the insurgency is fighting for/how they fight.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...2179_1,00.html

[Demiparadigm]

Are these guys any different?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...6271952413_269

One of them is defending their country. The other is not.

[euphoricism]

The beginning of that article disgusted me, even as a military-minded guy.

[Lukie]

He's doing what he thinks is right, you can't hate him for that.

sure you can

That would be like hating George Washington for fighting against the british becuase he believed it was right. Hating him just becuase he's an enemy is fine.

... or not hating him would be like not hating a serial killer who rapes, tortures, and murders womem because he feels they are the source of all evil and he is doing the right thing.

By the way, I hate when people make comparisons like that (THIS, is like THIS, even though it's a completely different event). Basically, you are saying/implying your argument indirectly and instead of backing it with sound logic and facts you block it with another example. So my natural recourse in a debate would be to try to disprove you about Washington (which I wouldn't). Why? Never understood it. Boost and I have talked about this a lot...

[a500lbgorilla]

He's doing what he thinks is right, you can't hate him for that.

sure you can

That would be like hating George Washington for fighting against the british becuase he believed it was right. Hating him just becuase he's an enemy is fine.

... or not hating him would be like not hating a serial killer who rapes, tortures, and murders womem because he feels they are the source of all evil and he is doing the right thing.

By the way, I hate when people make comparisons like that (THIS, is like THIS, even though it's a completely different event). Basically, you are saying/implying your argument indirectly and instead of backing it with sound logic and facts you block it with another example. So my natural recourse in a debate would be to try to disprove you about Washington (which I wouldn't). Why? Never understood it. Boost and I have talked about this a lot...

I was talking about I don't hate him FOR doing what he believes in. I hate him for being an enemy.

[boost]

rilla I like what your saying.

And the Washington example is perfect. How is it so different? It wasnt his country at all officially. He was fighting to make it his country. It was a colony of England. Very similar guerilla warfare tactics were used during the revolutionairy war. Why? because they didnt have a strong standing army. Some british people saw this as barbaric and in a sense cheating. Others hated them as thier enemy but admired thier cunning and will to fight.

I hate nazis and everything they stand for, however I can still admire some of the generals on a tactical and strategic level.

[ProZachNation]

rilla I like what your saying.

And the Washington example is perfect. How is it so different? It wasnt his country at all officially. He was fighting to make it his country. It was a colony of England. Very similar guerilla warfare tactics were used during the revolutionairy war. Why? because they didnt have a strong standing army. Some british people saw this as barbaric and in a sense cheating. Others hated them as thier enemy but admired thier cunning and will to fight.

I hate nazis and everything they stand for, however I can still admire some of the generals on a tactical and strategic level.

Good post boost I agree with you.