Is this play a decent play?

[shysti]

PokerStars Game #4598633442: Tournament #22780389, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/04/11 - 23:06:13 (ET)
Table '22780389 19' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: saff (1975 in chips)
Seat 2: grunchen (1715 in chips)
Seat 3: AHRISTOS (2870 in chips)
Seat 4: mianorth (2525 in chips)
Seat 5: johnyquest (1965 in chips)
Seat 6: shysti (1565 in chips)
Seat 7: Tha_BigL (1475 in chips)
Seat 8: IRESQUEU (1450 in chips)
Seat 9: 120mm-outlaw (1330 in chips)
IRESQUEU: posts small blind 15
120mm-outlaw: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shysti [Qc Kc]
saff: folds
grunchen: folds
AHRISTOS: raises 30 to 60
mianorth: calls 60
johnyquest: calls 60
shysti: calls 60
Tha_BigL: folds
IRESQUEU: folds
120mm-outlaw: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [Jc Kh Td]
120mm-outlaw: checks
AHRISTOS: checks
mianorth: bets 120
johnyquest: calls 120
shysti: raises 1385 to 1505 and is all-in
120mm-outlaw: folds
AHRISTOS: folds
mianorth: folds
johnyquest: folds
shysti collected 675 from pot
shysti: doesn't show hand

[skinnyolly]

Well it worked didnt it?!

I mean you won the pot...
I think that you are pretty safe in this hand, you have Top pair and a decent kicker, you also have aces, and nines that make your straight, as well as possible flush draw (runner, runner clubs).

However I like that you took down the pot there and then, and didnt let anyone else catch up. So good stuff.

[chardrian]

I don't love it or hate it.

Your two opps both have you covered. The only hands that call here beat you (two pair or the made straight). It isn't horrible though since you have a kazillion outs and can suck out even if you are behind right now.

What about a nice raise to 400 there instead?

[skinnyolly]

Thats a fair point. On a different day with that 'move' I guess you might have been called.

Not a 'mean' raise of 400 though?
jokes

[biondino]

I like it, but that's because I'd have done exactly the same

[shysti]

I don't love it or hate it.

Your two opps both have you covered. The only hands that call here beat you (two pair or the made straight). It isn't horrible though since you have a kazillion outs and can suck out even if you are behind right now.

What about a nice raise to 400 there instead?

True, but if they were to call and I do end up hitting one of my outs to win the hand then they are crippled, where as a raise of 400 might entice one of them to take me off the hand by reraising me all in?

Does that make sense lol? Anyhow, I went deep in this tournament, we were down the 19 (18 get paid ) and I was in 2nd in chips and well I posted here what happened:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-33012.htm

[Renton]

I think this play works better in a three way pot than a five way pot. Considering the preflop play, I think this flop makes a LOT of two pairs, most which you are around even money to beat.

I like chardrian's idea better.

[chardrian]

I don't love it or hate it.

Your two opps both have you covered. The only hands that call here beat you (two pair or the made straight). It isn't horrible though since you have a kazillion outs and can suck out even if you are behind right now.

What about a nice raise to 400 there instead?

True, but if they were to call and I do end up hitting one of my outs to win the hand then they are crippled, where as a raise of 400 might entice one of them to take me off the hand by reraising me all in?

Nope doesn't make sense. The only rationales for your push here is that you are protecting your current best hand or you think you have the best hand but one of them might call with a hand JQ. You are not pushing for the hopes of them calling with the best hand right now and you hitting one of your outs.

Since you should have the best hand right now, AND you have such a great draw, I don't like the push that much because you are missing value.

If you raise and get called and hit an out you have better shot at crippling them then by pushing on the flop here.

[shysti]

I don't love it or hate it.

Your two opps both have you covered. The only hands that call here beat you (two pair or the made straight). It isn't horrible though since you have a kazillion outs and can suck out even if you are behind right now.

What about a nice raise to 400 there instead?

True, but if they were to call and I do end up hitting one of my outs to win the hand then they are crippled, where as a raise of 400 might entice one of them to take me off the hand by reraising me all in?

Nope doesn't make sense. The only rationales for your push here is that you are protecting your current best hand or you think you have the best hand but one of them might call with a hand JQ. You are not pushing for the hopes of them calling with the best hand right now and you hitting one of your outs.

Since you should have the best hand right now, AND you have such a great draw, I don't like the push that much because you are missing value.

If you raise and get called and hit an out you have better shot at crippling them then by pushing on the flop here.

I think you misunderstood me here, I'll reply but I am in the middle of a hand

[Spanners]

Do you guys play KQ for a min raise preflop? I always fold that trash at these blind levels...well it was sooted I guess.

What is wrong with calling the flop? I am a fish though so be nice!!!
The only overcard to your pair gives you a straight. Theres no flush draw. If the turn is a scary card ( J, Q or T) you can easily get away from your hand and still have chips.
Is the problem of calling of someone hitting a hidden 2 pair?

If you hit your straight you will make money from some of these fish (you have position on) that think AJ or J9 is good here...hey they are that terrible sometimes!

Anyway nh

[THaC]

Do you guys play KQ for a min raise preflop? I always fold that trash at these blind levels...well it was sooted I guess.

What is wrong with calling the flop? I am a fish though so be nice!!!
The only overcard to your pair gives you a straight. Theres no flush draw. If the turn is a scary card ( J, Q or T) you can easily get away from your hand and still have chips.
Is the problem of calling of someone hitting a hidden 2 pair?

If you hit your straight you will make money from some of these fish (you have position on) that think AJ or J9 is good here...hey they are that terrible sometimes!

Anyway nh

That's kind of weak-tight.. Just calling doesn't let you know where you are in the hand. Raising to around 320-400 will let you know right away if someone has 2 pair, a set, or a made straight. Just calling, you're only hoping you're ahead, and wandering blindly down a dark tunnel.

As played, that works, you got chips and won the pot, but I like a raise to 3x what they raise, or maybe more (Like Chardrian said - 400). If they call, then you look for your aces or 9s (your Qs aren't clean, I guarantee it), and go from there. If they raise you, shove it then and look for your outs as you have a trillion.

But either way, nice hand sir.

[Spanners]

Some people say Bill Filmaff is a weak-tight player. But actually I'm a conservative-wise player!

Yea, true. I just thought if you raised and were called or reraised you would be committed and have to go broke to it when theres a chance you could get away.

[THaC]

I can do a lot with 1100 chips.. a lot more than I can with 0. You'd still have an M of ~25, it's not like you'd be push-fold.