Mistakes Eupho made in his first 1k hands

[euphoricism]

1) Just calling down with top pair decent kicker. I haven't won one of these yet. That should tell me something. Ive done it about three times (things like KQo on a K high flop, I raise preflop, he reraises, I check/call down and he value bets his AA on every street. Atleast if I raised somewhere I'd know to fold when he re-reraised.)

2) Limping behind other limpers with a good hand. Something like KQs after three limpers, I should raise, not limp and hope to hit. Setting myself up for disaster with that one when someone flops two pair against my top pair...

3) Losing 50/50s preflop. I gotta work on that .

4) Top pair top kicker is not an all in hand. I havent made this mistake yet, atleast in a huge way, but I used to. Some guy with about 1/4th of his stack left pushed and I called with TPTK and he hit a miracle, but no big deal.

5) I called one river check/minraise with top two pair. Im not sure if thats a huge mistake (is it?), but lets just say he had me pwned and played me like a flute.

6) Raising marginal holdings into short stacks. Do you realllllly want him to push over you when youve raised 3x with KTo? Cuz he's gonna!



Anyway, 1000 hands in, i'm doing well. Yesterday, my first day, I ended +$250 (200NL) which i consider pretty good. I took some lumps early today (see #1 above), but I'll get it back.

[r8ed]

List the things that seem to work well too please. You're coming from limit right? It would be interesting to see what things you carry over that work in NL.

What are you raising and when would be interesting.

[Renton]

I am new to 6max as well so we are probably having a lot of the same problems. Heres my thoughts.

1) Just calling down with top pair decent kicker. I haven't won one of these yet. That should tell me something. Ive done it about three times (things like KQo on a K high flop, I raise preflop, he reraises, I check/call down and he value bets his AA on every street. Atleast if I raised somewhere I'd know to fold when he re-reraised.)

I am not sure if I understand you correctly here? Did you call a threebet preflop with KQ? I usually fold to a threebet with this hand unless I am getting a GREAT price. Then in that case I will call and look for 2 pair or better. I am not calling down with TP though.

2) Limping behind other limpers with a good hand. Something like KQs after three limpers, I should raise, not limp and hope to hit. Setting myself up for disaster with that one when someone flops two pair against my top pair...

I will try to steal limpers' money with a lot less than KQs if I am in position (my range is probably something like 77+, KJ+, AT+, QJ). If I am on the blinds, I might just complete or check with anything but a really premium hand. KQs plays well multiway, so OOP I would just limp behind.

3) Losing 50/50s preflop. I gotta work on that .

Try to only do this against shorties, and with extra dead money to recoup the rake and actually produce profit on the hand.

4) Top pair top kicker is not an all in hand. I havent made this mistake yet, atleast in a huge way, but I used to. Some guy with about 1/4th of his stack left pushed and I called with TPTK and he hit a miracle, but no big deal.

I think in shorthanded, TPTK with AQ or AK is often OK to play for stacks with. So many people (particularly laggs) like to push draws that it is often very weak tight not to call.

5) I called one river check/minraise with top two pair. Im not sure if thats a huge mistake (is it?), but lets just say he had me pwned and played me like a flute.

I think this is definitely a case by case. If the player is tight this is a clear fold. You generally have to have some real strength to check raise with no additional cards to come.

6) Raising marginal holdings into short stacks. Do you realllllly want him to push over you when youve raised 3x with KTo? Cuz he's gonna!

I often making the mistake of a button raise with T9s after realizing the big blind has an M of 4. It sucks.

Anyway, 1000 hands in, i'm doing well. Yesterday, my first day, I ended +$250 (200NL) which i consider pretty good. I took some lumps early today (see #1 above), but I'll get it back.

[Lukie]

1) Preflop, don't call reraises with KQo. If you're lucky, one of your cards is live. Think implied odds here, not pot odds. It's one of the shittiest reverse implied odds type of deals I can think of.

2) Heh, I like your thought (agression), but the actual situation you gave isn't bad IMO. Don't get me wrong, raising here is probably pretty standard, but I sometimes limp a hand like KQs after 3 limpers, particularly if I think there's a good chance I'm going to get the button anyway. Tight/passiveish players on my left are far better for this then a good lagg. Limpers have a way of protecting themselves, and the last thing you want to do is have to jack it up 7-8x and play a big, multiway pot that starts out 30bb on the flop when you have TPGK. The actual pfr and c-bet (if you choose to do it when you miss, which I find a bad idea generally) in these situations are VERY significant.

3) lol when in a cash game are you ever going to be 50/50 allin preflop. The closest thing I can think of that isn't completely donkish is QQvAK, the obvious exception being vs short stacks. AKvQQ is usually pretty donkish btw, but it's all situation dependant. In agressive shorthanded games I find pushing AK is often a great play given the right set of circumstances, but thats an entirely differenct discussion.

4) yeah, remember that the other guy can see the board just as well as you can. And hands like AK/AQ/AJ etc, when they hit, aren't exactly hidden (I'm basically saying the same thing twice just for repetition).

5) situation dependant, hard to tell u what to do without a HH and reads. I've done much, much, much worse, with great frequency too i'd imagine. but i'm a huge fish.

6) yeah, being very cognizant of short stacks and tightening up when they are on your left is very very +ev. I make this mistake too....

[metaxy6]

2) Heh, I like your thought (agression), but the actual situation you gave isn't bad IMO. Don't get me wrong, raising here is probably pretty standard, but I sometimes limp a hand like KQs after 3 limpers, particularly if I think there's a good chance I'm going to get the button anyway. Tight/passiveish players on my left are far better for this then a good lagg. Limpers have a way of protecting themselves, and the last thing you want to do is have to jack it up 7-8x and play a big, multiway pot that starts out 30bb on the flop when you have TPGK. The actual pfr and c-bet (if you choose to do it when you miss, which I find a bad idea generally) in these situations are VERY significant.

This is a tricky situation - and I freely admit to being kind of stuck in the middle on it. I totally agree with the logic of playing it (in large part) according to who's behind. Could you elaborate this last part ?

3) lol when in a cash game are you ever going to be 50/50 allin preflop. The closest thing I can think of that isn't completely donkish is QQvAK, the obvious exception being vs short stacks. AKvQQ is usually pretty donkish btw, but it's all situation dependant. In agressive shorthanded games I find pushing AK is often a great play given the right set of circumstances, but thats an entirely differenct discussion.

Not exactly trying to have that discussion here - just one thing.
Given that it's generally pretty donk to call a cash game pf allin w/AK
(I see it all the time), is it worth playing QQ differently in cash game?
Tourney: I'm willing to get it ai pf in a lot of cases and have a true coin flip, even if it means giving an opponent the whole board.
Cash game w/effective stacks: it's just not necessary to cede the whole board...