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It was a first for me but I mucked KK and told him I had JJ, no way I want them knowing I can fold KK. He told me "good fold I had AA" and I believe him.
I had given this situation some thought before, I read another thread about the same topic. I decided that the only time I would fold it would be in deep stack situation against a tight/competent player. I said to myself, "self....this is that exact situation, do the right thing". A part of me wanted to push and see him flip over QQ, but I knew that was my emotions and not my brain. Another part of me wanted to see the flop, but I didn't have the odds to set hunt and a rag flop would cost me my stack.
If I'm putting 250BBs in the middle without an aggro read I want the nuts, 2nd nuts dosn't cut it. That's how to beat solid players with huge stacks, wait patiently for the nuts and let them put you all-in. If the tables were turned I'm pretty sure I would have got his stack. The blinds are irrelavant with those stacks and you can still play agressively and chip away at his stack, but when it comes down to that 250BB All-in, HAVE THE MOTHERFUCKIN' NUTS!!!!!!!
I know, I might have lost $2.60 folding the best hand. He either had AA or he was repping AA, what's harder to do? have AA once and get paid off $45 by KK or Rep AA 17 times and take $45 $2.60 at a time? The latter is more difficult and more risky, because in 17 hands you might actually run into the hand you're repping. If I'm reraising a tight player they'll actually run into AA half of the time. Make it hard for your opponents, force them to beat you by making risky bluffs not easy value bets. Bluffing takes more skill than value betting, if you fold when they value bet the only option they have left to beat you is to bluff. Unless they are a very skilled player eventually they will slip up and make a bad read and bluff into the nuts.
I love playing against other big stacks, if I don't have the nuts I'll RARELY lose more than 100 BBs in a hand but they'll give me their stack with the 2nd, 3rd and even 4th nut!! That's why I always reload if I dip below the max, I want to have the biggest stack I can possibly have, that's why I don't take long breaks, once I get a big stack I don't want to leave for long eneugh to get picked up.
There are alot of situations like the AA vs KK one, nut-flush vs. 2nd nut flush, I've folded the 2nd nut flush with no pair up once. I think the most common big pot situation is the big full house vs. the small full house. That's why I'll chase with JJ on a TTK flop if I have 20-1 implied odds, I know someone has at least a K and I'm beat, but if they have a KT or JT and I spike that J I got 'em, or if I turn the J and they hit their kicker on the river I got 'em, alot of players can't even get away from trips if there's no flush or ovious straight showing. 99 on a TTK flop on the other hand, I want nothing to do with it, if I hit the 9 I'll be on the recieving end of an ass-whooping if they make their full house. If I'm going all-in against a deep stack post flop I want to make a full house by hitting a pocket pair higher than the pair on board. With one pair on the board there are 6 unique full houses, if I don't have the kind that I described above I want I want at least the 2nd best full house before I push, like AJ on a AJJT9 board. Another spot that I like to push is the TTJJQ type board when you have QJ or QQ because any player with Jx will find it very difficult to fold. If you can fold the small full house, the 2nd nut flush and the KK and your opponents cannot, you'll win all of the giant deep stack vs. deep stack pots. ( with the exception of KK sucking out on AA )
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Deep Stacks with KK, what's your move?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
