Bad push with a/q?

[ripjohngotti]

jayeck13 is at seat 0 with 4260.
AngeloKim is at seat 1 with 75805.
Pokenomore is at seat 2 with 46520.
rx-a1ex is at seat 4 with 3805.
cubfan77066 is at seat 5 with 930.
solarsnake is at seat 6 with 34675.
fasteddiiie is at seat 7 with 13490.
Socrateze is at seat 8 with 31465.
The button is at seat 6.

jayeck13 posts ante (25).
AngeloKim posts ante (25).
Pokenomore posts ante (25).
rx-a1ex posts ante (25).
cubfan77066 posts ante (25).
solarsnake posts ante (25).
fasteddiiie posts ante (25).
Socrateze posts ante (25).
Socrateze posts the small blind of 150.
jayeck13 posts the big blind of 300.

jayeck13: Ah Qh
AngeloKim: -- --
Pokenomore: -- --
rx-a1ex: -- --
cubfan77066: -- --
solarsnake: -- --
fasteddiiie: -- --
Socrateze: -- --

Pre-flop:

AngeloKim folds. Pokenomore calls. rx-a1ex folds.
cubfan77066 folds. solarsnake folds. fasteddiiie
calls. Socrateze calls. jayeck13 goes all-in for
4235. Pokenomore re-raises to 13505. fasteddiiie
folds. Socrateze goes all-in for 31440. Pokenomore
calls.

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

jayeck13 shows Ah Qh.
Pokenomore shows 5h 5s.
Socrateze shows As Kh.


Flop (board: Jc 2h 8d):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: Jc 2h 8d 6c):

(no action in this round)


River (board: Jc 2h 8d 6c 4d):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

jayeck13 has Ah Qh Jc 8d 6c: ace high.
Pokenomore has 5h 5s Jc 8d 6c: a pair of fives.
Socrateze has As Kh Jc 8d 6c: ace high.


Hand #31478865-116 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
Pokenomore wins the main pot 13205 with a pair of fives.
Pokenomore wins the side pot 54410 with a pair of fives.




I pick up aq blinds are 150 300 2 limpers and SB, how is this not a push bb? would all have just checked?

Im very confused about when your M gets low should u just push or shove about half in the pot, then push the flop?

Sigh

[zenbitz]

Good push. In fact, I think you played this much better than your opponents...

55 limp? push over short stack??? Maybe... he's sure you have overcards here
AKo limp AFTER limpers, then call 2 all-ins? Good to be the big stack...

I think the only time when you should raise 1/2 your stack instead of all is:
1) You really, really , really want callers (so QQ-AA)
2) You don't think you will get more than 1 caller, 2 at the most.
3) This won't be picked up on as a wierd play (like your M=4 and you put in 1/2... you are not fooling anyone, they know the rest is going in on the flop)

[ripjohngotti]

Yeah well i was thinking it would be better to raise 1/2 my stack then push all in on the flop after the fact or just check.

Hmmm

[ark4748]

Im very confused about when your M gets low should u just push or shove about half in the pot, then push the flop

I'm interested to hear opinions on this as well. If you are really shortstacked this is obviously an easy push, and I would have done what you did but i am still a noob and learning. However, I'm thinking on that particular hand, the only people who would have called you preflop would call an AIafter that flop would be AJ,KJ,QJ,JJ+, and 22,88. With that size stack against such bigger stacks, maybe a half-pot to push would be better?

[ripjohngotti]

Im very confused about when your M gets low should u just push or shove about half in the pot, then push the flop

I'm interested to hear opinions on this as well. If you are really shortstacked this is obviously an easy push, and I would have done what you did but i am still a noob and learning. However, I'm thinking on that particular hand, the only people who would have called you preflop would call an AIafter that flop would be AJ,KJ,QJ,JJ+, and 22,88. With that size stack against such bigger stacks, maybe a half-pot to push would be better?

Right now that i think of it im thinking more of this way because the stacks of theirs was so large maybe a 1/2 stack push would have been better. Now if they were SS , an all in push might have been better. AQ Suited 77 or 88 is probably the cutoff of a push in this situation.

With KQ and AJ its getting Riskier.

This is definately one of the bigger plays of most tournies because as we all know people get SS and must make a move at some point.