Why am I +EV on non Turbos and -EV on Turbos?

[Toddy2]

What could I be doing wrong here? I know these are small samples but you can't ignore the consistency of the Turbos and the non turbos. I mean, I could never play turbos again, but I'd love to know what I could be doing wrong.

On Stars.. Rouding off.

Played in 130 $20/180 SNGS + 4100 (3 wins)
Played in 22 $50/190 + $2200 (1 win)
Played in 52 $20/9 SNGS + 400
Played in 44 $10/45 SNGS +365
Played in 19 $30/9 SNGS +160
Played in 33 $27+2 (215 qualifiers) +500

Turbos

Played in 87 $25+2 SNGs -550
Played in 66 $15+1 SNGs -295
Played in 242 $11+1/45 SNGs -497
Played in 42 $55 SNGs -90
Played in 10 $105+9 SNGs -150
Played in 76 $15+1 SNGs -299

[ark4748]

Because the blinds go up so fast, turbos are more of a crapshoot, espeically if you are a tight player

[vqc]

my guess is that u arent good with a short stack.

[Scuba Chuck]

Because the blinds go up so fast, people who don't know how to play fast rising short stacked tournaments think that turbos are more of a crapshoot, espeically if you are a tight player

FYP

[Staresy]

My guess (as someone in the same spot) is that when you play regular SnGs, you are more inclined to pass marginal edges earlier on in the full knowledge that you can wait to push a stronger edge against a donk who is just as likely to push into you, whereas you don't get that luxury in turbos.

[Toddy2]

My guess (as someone in the same spot) is that when you play regular SnGs, you are more inclined to pass marginal edges earlier on in the full knowledge that you can wait to push a stronger edge against a donk who is just as likely to push into you, whereas you don't get that luxury in turbos.

Ya probably. I always knew I was a better non turbo player but I was shocked to see these stats. I guess I have to adjust my play to turbos.

[Staresy]

Good that you have though!

I just realised that was your first post too, Welcome to FTR!

[Toddy2]

Good that you have though!

I just realised that was your first post too, Welcome to FTR!

Thanks. I'll be posting here from now on.

[Scuba Chuck]

Good that you have though!

I just realised that was your first post too, Welcome to FTR!

Thanks. I'll be posting here from now on.

as opposed to???

[ark4748]

Because the blinds go up so fast, people who don't know how to play fast rising short stacked tournaments think that turbos are more of a crapshoot, espeically if you are a tight player

FYP

very true, thank you

[Toddy2]

Good that you have though!

I just realised that was your first post too, Welcome to FTR!

Thanks. I'll be posting here from now on.

as opposed to???

2+2

[bode]

This is my first post/reply, so i hope i do this right.
I am a fairly new player, mostly playing $3.40 NL turbos, and $5.50 NL regular, and in my case, i find this situation to be the exact opposite. While i dont have the exact numbers, i run about 40% ITM in turbos, and only 30% in regular games. I feel like i am strong at making the strong hands pay off, but since i am fairly tight, am able to steal blinds/weak bets when i need them. I use basically the same strategy in reg. games, but always seem to bubble out.

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[Toddy2]

This is my first post/reply, so i hope i do this right.
I am a fairly new player, mostly playing $3.40 NL turbos, and $5.50 NL regular, and in my case, i find this situation to be the exact opposite. While i dont have the exact numbers, i run about 40% ITM in turbos, and only 30% in regular games. I feel like i am strong at making the strong hands pay off, but since i am fairly tight, am able to steal blinds/weak bets when i need them. I use basically the same strategy in reg. games, but always seem to bubble out.

any suggestions?

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I just went over my numbers again. I can see having a little difference in numbers like you, but mine are extreme. I'm having trouble believing it.

[Scuba Chuck]

Good that you have though!

I just realised that was your first post too, Welcome to FTR!

Thanks. I'll be posting here from now on.

as opposed to???

2+2

So let's hear, why are you not posting there anymore (and what's your SN there)?

BTW, there is likely a clear answer to your question. Since you are only providing results, and no other information, I can only make assumptions. But they are this. The style you use for the regulars is a losing style on the turbos.

[Toddy2]

Good that you have though!

I just realised that was your first post too, Welcome to FTR!

Thanks. I'll be posting here from now on.

as opposed to???

2+2

So let's hear, why are you not posting there anymore (and what's your SN there)?

BTW, there is likely a clear answer to your question. Since you are only providing results, and no other information, I can only make assumptions. But they are this. The style you use for the regulars is a losing style on the turbos.

Im Toddy on 2+2 ive been posting there for awhile.. Probably have 1000 or so posts. I just seem to have more friends posting here lately so I joined. I'll still be visiting all the forums.

[DavSimon]

Toddy....those 20/180s and 50/90s are'nt really SnGs. Yes you sit and go, but they have a 15 minute blind structure and are simply player-limited MTTs.

My guess is....(well its not even a guess because I've seen you play) is that you are a solid TAGG player and the run and gun style of short stack fast blind play does not fit you well. I suppose I could point to your difficulties in rebuys as evidence of this. Even thought the blinds are 15 minutes.....the very loose fast play during the 1st hour is probably hard for you to adjust to.

Anyway it's all assumption based, but what it does tell you is that you should play regular length SnGs and MTTs.....and probably really focus on the 20/180s since you do well in them, and the rest are really too few to tell. But for god sakes stay away from the $27 and $12 Turbos they are a huge drain on your bankroll.

[Toddy2]

Toddy....those 20/180s and 50/90s are'nt really SnGs. Yes you sit and go, but they have a 15 minute blind structure and are simply player-limited MTTs.

My guess is....(well its not even a guess because I've seen you play) is that you are a solid TAGG player and the run and gun style of short stack fast blind play does not fit you well. I suppose I could point to your difficulties in rebuys as evidence of this. Even thought the blinds are 15 minutes.....the very loose fast play during the 1st hour is probably hard for you to adjust to.

Anyway it's all assumption based, but what it does tell you is that you should play regular length SnGs and MTTs.....and probably really focus on the 20/180s since you do well in them, and the rest are really too few to tell. But for god sakes stay away from the $27 and $12 Turbos they are a huge drain on your bankroll.

Ok thanks for the reply. Yes, I'm done w/ the $12s and $27s. Theres no reason not to stick to the $20/180s. Im really glad I analyzed my play at different tourneys. It should make a huge difference in my Bankroll.

[TLR]

As has been said by others at this thread, turbos and regular Sngs are two different games, some of the differences are
1. Turbos require you to get involved in marginal situations
2. Turbos require you to play more hands
3. Turbos are mostly preflop games, while regular are more of a postflop game

so they require a different set of mind to play them successfully, apprently you are better at slower speed games, stick to what you are good at

And most importantly, welcome to FTR

[stuck]

In turbos, you really need to push marginal edges; you can't really wait too long for a better spot to appear. When I play them, I generally sit tight for the first few rounds (only play good hands). As soon as the blinds hit 25/50 or 50/100, you need to start stealing the blinds. Look for good chances to double up early on. If you can double (or triple) up, you must use the stack to your advantage. And don't piss away chips unecessarily - you need them. Blind steal and make it known you won't tolerate people stealing your blinds.

[Tripforyou]

I'm new to online poker and have only been playing hold'em for about 9 months total (probably 5 online.) I was wondering how you came up with those numbers? Did you track them yourself or is there some software that figured it out for you? I personally do better at $11+1 turbos on full tilt, never liked stars much... I do decent in the $10+1 non turbos too, but better in the turbos... anyway, how tedious was it if you didn't use software? Thanks...

[Staresy]

You can do it on Excel, or you can get PokerTracker.

If you go to the "Tools of Poker" section, there is a link to it there.

Other than that, you could just set up an excel spreadsheet and then e-mail Full Tilt support and ask them to send you a summary of every SnG you've played in. Stars did it for me.