pocket Qs on SB correct fold or not?

[cocolaja]

PL Texas Hold'em $22 Buy-in Trny:23041461
Level:2 Blinds(30/60) - Wednesday, May 03, 21:06:08 ET 2006
Table Table 95533 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 3: tomuhp ( $2412 )
Seat 4: REKeen ( $5089 )
Seat 6: il2randr ( $2250 )
Seat 7: essywest ( $2033 )
Seat 8: opteron170 ( $1550 )
Seat 10: qwerty4313 ( $3168 )
Seat 5: bebop4 ( $2420 )
Seat 2: market_g ( $1078 )
Trny:23041461 Level:2
Blinds(30/60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bebop4 [ Qd Qs ]
essywest calls [60].
opteron170 folds.
qwerty4313 folds.
market_g folds.
tomuhp calls [60].
REKeen raises [270].
bebop4 folds.
il2randr folds.
essywest calls [210].
tomuhp folds.

[Warpe]

Not, unless you have a solid read that REKeen only raises AA and KK.

[ark4748]

Not, unless you have a solid read that REKeen only raises AA and KK.

Espeically since REKeen is by far the big stack, there are a lot of hands he could have that you beat.

[givememyleg]

Eh... I would at least call.

[vqc]

just so everyones clear this is PL.

I woulda just shoved, but then I realized I coudlnt.

[givememyleg]

Didn't even notice the PL.

The stacks are deep... I would think calling would be better than folding.. QQ is a strong hand. I would even go for potting it.

[Scuba Chuck]

Didn't even notice the PL.

The stacks are deep... I would think calling would be better than folding.. QQ is a strong hand. I would even go for potting it.

How does your thought process with regard to PL and deep stacks affect your subsequent analysis/advice? Just curious.

I should add, villain did pot it. I also don't think folding is a very good proposition. In order to make this assumption, you would have to believe villain is only raising QQ+/AK. If you have a read that villain is this tight, then you could argue that folding is reasonable.

[givememyleg]

How does your thought process with regard to PL and deep stacks affect your subsequent analysis/advice? Just curious.

I should add, villain did pot it. I also don't think folding is a very good proposition. In order to make this assumption, you would have to believe villain is only raising QQ+/AK. If you have a read that villain is this tight, then you could argue that folding is reasonable.

Well, he didn't give any reads on villian at all, so I think villains range should be slightly larger than AK or QQ+. Also, villian is on the button, so he could be raising with position. I would probably strech it to 1010+, maybe even include AJs to AQ. The thing is, it is hard to put a range on people when you don't have reads on them.

What I meant by the deep stack is when stacks are this deep, I don't think folding a high pocket pair is smart. Unless somehow you knew he had AA or KK, which doesn't seem possible without reads, folding QQ here for a 240 raise when you have 2400 seems a little weak to me. I didn't necesarily mean my post was pertaining to PL versus NL or something, I just didn't notice the post was a PL HH.

[cocolaja]

thanks guys... im playing very weirdly lately... cant crack any of the games for some reason... dropping all the way down to 5SNG in party poker now... everyone is calling everything... argh... i think im on tilt... need to settle down...