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  1. #1

    Default Anyone else make this call?

    Well, early stages of MTT, the 2 guys ahead of me were big stacks at table and I knew I was facing at least one flush draw, was hoping for 2 to cut down on number of cards left.

    I think I made the right call when looking at the finish of it and there being only 6 cards that could beat me and 4 that would outright win it for me apart from the fact I was ahead at the river but I'm wondering how anyone else would have played it differently given it put the tournament life on the line fairly early in.

    Stage #393574727 Tourney ID 1134372 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20 - 2006-05-05 00:23:24 (ET)
    Table: 20 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - COLONEL_R ($2770 in chips)
    Seat 2 - SOLS15 ($1270 in chips)
    Seat 3 - KNYTESTORME ($1395 in chips)
    Seat 4 - FLOPKING01 ($1080 in chips)
    Seat 5 - BSSMOKER2 ($4255 in chips)
    Seat 6 - FLUSHIN IT ($4185 in chips)
    Seat 8 - CDNJN ($1380 in chips)
    Seat 9 - TICHUOT ($1060 in chips)
    FLOPKING01 - Posts small blind $20
    BSSMOKER2 - Posts big blind $40
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to KNYTESTORME [6c 6s]
    FLUSHIN IT - Calls $40
    CDNJN - Calls $40
    TICHUOT - Calls $40
    COLONEL_R - Folds
    SOLS15 - Folds
    KNYTESTORME - Calls $40
    FLOPKING01 - Calls $20
    BSSMOKER2 - Checks
    *** FLOP *** [7h 6d Kd]
    FLOPKING01 - Checks
    BSSMOKER2 - Bets $160
    FLUSHIN IT - Calls $160
    CDNJN - Folds
    TICHUOT - Calls $160
    KNYTESTORME - Raises $480 to $480
    FLOPKING01 - Folds
    BSSMOKER2 - Raises $800 to $960
    FLUSHIN IT - Calls $800
    TICHUOT - All-In(Raise) $860 to $1020
    KNYTESTORME - All-In(Raise) $875 to $1355
    BSSMOKER2 - Calls $395
    FLUSHIN IT - Calls $395
    *** TURN *** [7h 6d Kd] [8s]
    BSSMOKER2 - Checks
    FLUSHIN IT - Checks
    *** RIVER *** [7h 6d Kd 8s] [9c]
    BSSMOKER2 - Checks
    FLUSHIN IT - Bets $120
    BSSMOKER2 - Calls $120
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    FLUSHIN IT - Shows [Jd 7d] (One pair, sevens)
    TICHUOT - Shows [10d Qd] (Straight, six to ten)
    KNYTESTORME - Shows [6c 6s] (Three of a kind, sixes)
    BSSMOKER2 - Shows [7c Ks] (Two Pair, kings and sevens)
    BSSMOKER2 Collects $240 from side pot-2
    KNYTESTORME Collects $1005 from side pot-1
    TICHUOT Collects $4320 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot($5565:$4320,$1005,$240)
    Board [7h 6d Kd 8s 9c]
    Seat 1: COLONEL_R Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 2: SOLS15 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 3: KNYTESTORME (dealer) won Total ($1005) All-In HI$1005) with Three of a kind, sixes [6c 6s - P:6s,B:6d,P:6c,B:Kd,B:9c]
    Seat 4: FLOPKING01 (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
    Seat 5: BSSMOKER2 (big blind) won Total ($240) HI$240) with Two Pair, kings and sevens [7c Ks - P:Ks,B:Kd,B:7h,P:7c,B:9c]
    Seat 6: FLUSHIN IT HI:lost with One pair, sevens [Jd 7d - B:7h,P:7d,B:Kd,P:Jd,B:9c]
    Seat 8: CDNJN Folded on the FLOP
    Seat 9: TICHUOT won Total ($4320) All-In HI$4320) with Straight, six to ten [10d Qd - P:10d,B:9c,B:8s,B:7h,B:6d]
  2. #2
    I guess 77 is possible but I wouldn't put anyone on KK. I call this everyday of the week and pay off 77. Shame on them for calling.

    You posted results. Just because you lost doesn't mean you should think you made a bad call. I could never get away from this hand.

    820 games 0.063 secs 13,015 games/sec

    Board: 7h 6d Kd

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 00.3659 % 00.37% 00.00% { Jd7d }
    Hand 2: 28.9024 % 28.90% 00.00% { QdTd }
    Hand 3: 56.8293 % 56.83% 00.00% { 6c6s }
    Hand 4: 13.9024 % 13.90% 00.00% { Ks7c }
  3. #3
    Yeah, my thinking when I was looking at making the all-in call was that I had gotten the result I was after (ie all the money in with the set I was trying to flop), that the board mean someone either had a flush draw (and most likley one had the Ad) or someone had hit 2 pair or the set.

    I tried running some quick figures and assumed I had to dodge a diamond and probably could rule out kings pairing giving me the win. I didn't think about the straight and given it had to runner-runner to get me I don't feel too bad about that.

    As you said, I don't mind losing this had as I'd pay off 7-7 all day with it as well, I was wondering in the context of a mtt early stage if it was worth the risk and if my thinking about outs was right (though given the figures in your post it seems like that same situation is +EV)
  4. #4
    I think this is actually a worse call even though I won and have gotten back in contention, though given my stack size and blinds I think it's acceptable.

    Stage #393600758 Tourney ID 1134372 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $50 - 2006-05-05 01:00:06 (ET)
    Table: 11 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
    Seat 1 - JAYMESV ($4330 in chips)
    Seat 2 - KNYTESTORME ($875 in chips)
    Seat 3 - BEACHSANDOG ($1530 in chips)
    Seat 4 - MJGSTYLE ($1775 in chips)
    Seat 5 - DARKRING ($3650 in chips)
    Seat 6 - THE IDIOT ($4165 in chips)
    Seat 7 - HERB_MUNOZ ($2465 in chips)
    Seat 8 - TAOARACING ($2400 in chips)
    Seat 9 - LEDZEP ($830 in chips)
    BEACHSANDOG - Posts small blind $50
    MJGSTYLE - Posts big blind $100
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to KNYTESTORME [Jd Jh]
    DARKRING - Folds
    THE IDIOT - All-In(Raise) $4165 to $4165
    HERB_MUNOZ - Folds
    TAOARACING - Folds
    LEDZEP - Folds
    JAYMESV - All-In(Raise) $4330 to $4330
    KNYTESTORME - All-In $875
    BEACHSANDOG - Folds
    MJGSTYLE - Folds
    JAYMESV - returned ($165) : not called
    *** FLOP *** [Js 10d 3c]
    *** TURN *** [Js 10d 3c] [8s]
    *** RIVER *** [Js 10d 3c 8s] [4d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    JAYMESV - Shows [10c 10h] (Three of a kind, tens)
    KNYTESTORME - Shows [Jd Jh] (Three of a kind, jacks)
    THE IDIOT - Shows [Qs Qd] (One pair, queens)
    JAYMESV Collects $6580 from side pot-1
    KNYTESTORME Collects $2775 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot($9355:$2775,$6580)
    Board [Js 10d 3c 8s 4d]
    Seat 1: JAYMESV won Total ($6580) All-In HI$6580) with Three of a kind, tens [10c 10h - P:10h,B:10d,P:10c,B:Js,B:8s]
    Seat 2: KNYTESTORME (dealer) won Total ($2775) All-In HI$2775) with Three of a kind, jacks [Jd Jh - B:Js,P:Jh,P:Jd,B:10d,B:8s]
    Seat 3: BEACHSANDOG (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 4: MJGSTYLE (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 5: DARKRING Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 6: THE IDIOT HI:lost with One pair, queens [Qs Qd - P:Qs,P:Qd,B:Js,B:10d,B:8s]
    Seat 7: HERB_MUNOZ Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 8: TAOARACING Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 9: LEDZEP Folded on the POCKET CARDS
  5. #5
    Flopped set = arreeen.

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