Yuck.

[pantherhound]

No damn read and OOP. Is it a 'bet the turn or don't call the flop raise' job?

----HAND 18------
Game #2251153044: Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1) - 2006/05/04 - 11:52:22 (UK)
Table "Cannonade" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: gislason ($75 in chips)
Seat 2: Sall02102 ($118.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Barnabee ($221 in chips)
Seat 4: dazlad ($120.49 in chips)
Seat 5: ScubamanB ($155.37 in chips)
Seat 6: Bamalam ($41.10 in chips)
Seat 7: Smiffy44 ($85 in chips)
Seat 8: 2012 ($145.50 in chips)
Seat 10: Figgel ($53.75 in chips)
Bamalam: posts small blind $0.50
Smiffy44: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [Kc Kh]
2012: folds
Figgel: folds
gislason: calls $1
Sall02102: folds
Barnabee: folds
dazlad: calls $1
ScubamanB: folds
Bamalam: calls $0.50
Smiffy44: raises to $4
gislason: folds
dazlad: calls $3
Bamalam: folds
----- FLOP ----- [7d 8s 3c]
Smiffy44: bets $7
dazlad: raises to $14
Smiffy44: calls $7
----- TURN ----- [7d 8s 3c][5h]
Smiffy44: checks
dazlad: bets $10
Luckynic joins the table at seat #9
Smiffy44: folds
Returned uncalled bets $10 to dazlad
dazlad: doesn't show hand
dazlad collects $36.25 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $38 Main pot $36.25 Rake $1.75
Board [7d 8s 3c 5h]
Seat 1: gislason folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Sall02102 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Barnabee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dazlad collected $36.25
Seat 5: ScubamanB (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Bamalam (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Smiffy44 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: 2012 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Figgel folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Pelion]

I think you will run into a smaller overpair who thinks you have AK very often here. Im not ready to give up just yet on that flop minraise.

Id probably call then check/raise the turn and see what he does then.

[Myke]

with 2 limpers and the SB completing, I would raise more Pre-flop here. Your current raise isn't high enough to isolate. The rather low turn bet leads me to think his hand may be weak or he's on a draw. I'd probably call the turn, and fold the river if the straight card hits the board. I don't put him on a set here and there is no flush possibility

[GatorJH]

You bet $7 into a $10 pot on the flop. That screams C-bet and the raise behind it may have been probing to see if you missed with your two overcards. I would have put in a re-raise here and if he pushes over THAT you can have a pretty good feeling that you are beat.

[drtofu66]

You bet $7 into a $10 pot on the flop. That screams C-bet and the raise behind it may have been probing to see if you missed with your two overcards. I would have put in a re-raise here and if he pushes over THAT you can have a pretty good feeling that you are beat.

When you're re-raising the flop here, what's the proper amount? There's $31 in the pot after the villain's raise, Hero has $74 left, villain has $102 left. Would $14 more be enough to get the info you need without spewing more chips in to the pot?

[Rondavu]

Value bet the turn. Release to a big raise. You have to get onto 4th street in this hand without potfucking yourself.

[dalecooper]

I like to call and lead the turn. If he smooth-calls the turn, you're ahead - value bet the river. If he raises again (especially more than a min-raise) you may be in trouble... time to re-evaluate. To me it seems like you gave up on this hand way too soon; lots of players make that min-raise to test if an overpair to the flop is good.

[samsonite2100]

You bet $7 into a $10 pot on the flop. That screams C-bet and the raise behind it may have been probing to see if you missed with your two overcards.

Gator--how does 7 into 10 scream cbet? I thought 2/3-3/4 pot was pretty standard with either a made hand or air.

[pantherhound]

Release to a big raise.

And to another minraise? Am I then potfucked whatever he holds?

[GatorJH]

You bet $7 into a $10 pot on the flop. That screams C-bet and the raise behind it may have been probing to see if you missed with your two overcards.

Gator--how does 7 into 10 scream cbet? I thought 2/3-3/4 pot was pretty standard with either a made hand or air.

You are also at the high end of a typical C-bet rainge of 1/2 to 3/4 pot.

[samsonite2100]

Maybe it's just me--I typically bet ~2/3 no matter what I have. I usually see 1/2 pot bets as more probe bets than cbets repping strength. A 3/4-full pot bet I usually respect a bit more than a smaller one.
If you're saying you respect cbets less as they get larger, I have to question your reasoning.

[LimpinAintEZ]

sub question to this thread that I hear discussed - If your betting $7 into a $10 pot, aren't you allowing your opponent to call (or minraise even) with a hand much worse than yours? If I have a PP higher than board I am at LEAST min-raising that bet. If i'm sitting with KK on that flop, I'm loving it - I don't want to bet so much that it's obvious i've got KK - in this case don't we WANT the 10,10 and JJ to be in there with us? I think folding is playing a bit too tight - I thought this would be a hand where we are trying to maximize its value - I would have to guess that you are ahead most of the time.

[bair]

looks like 66 to me, i would definitely lead this turn