Boring hands from tonight

[johnny_fish]

Hand 1, one of the first hands of the night, no read on Villain. Flop bet seemed draw/bluff, turn bet is pretty big.. Doesn't make sense. Slowplayed AA/KK? JJ/AK/AJ limp-call??

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5.00/$10.00
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $996.25
UTG+1: $1054.00
Hero: $970.00
Button: $967.40
SB: $933.00
BB: $1255.62

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K J
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $50, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: J A K ($115, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $70, UTG raises to $200, Hero calls.

Turn: 2 ($515, 2 players)
UTG bets $320, Hero ??Hero raises all-in $720, UTG calls.

River: 6 ($1955, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $1955)


Results:
Final pot: $1955
UTG shows Ks Ac


Hand 2, Villain has been loose and lucky so far.

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5.00/$10.00
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $2359.89
Button: $514.58
SB: $210.85
Hero: $1017.00

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with 7 5
UTG raises to $40, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 7 5 8 ($85, 2 players)
Hero bets $60, UTG raises to $140, Hero calls.

Turn: 6 ($365, 2 players)
Hero bets $250, UTG calls.

River: 2 ($865, 2 players)
Hero bets $300, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: $1465
Hero shows 7s 5s
UTG shows 8d 8s

Hand 3, turn call with reverse implied odds?

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5.00/$10.00
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $269.75
Hero: $1500.25
Button: $962.65
SB: $1370.00
BB: $990.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 3 4
UTG folds, Hero raises to $40, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: Q 2 T ($125, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $80, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: J ($365, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $280, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: 6 ($1205, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero is all-in $1100.25, Button calls all-in $562.65, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $537.6 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $2330.3
Button shows Ah Kd

Hand 4, best line to take here? Call, c/c turn seems weak.. 3-bet AI is only called by 2p+ right?

** Game ID 772956430 starting - 2006-04-28 01:57:12
** Truck Ship [Hold 'em] (5.00|10.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- -xox- sitting in seat 1 with $1157.00
- Dreamscope sitting in seat 2 with $977.32
- Pappapoker sitting in seat 3 with $1078.25
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 4 with $1052.00
- ghostoso sitting in seat 5 with $580.00 [Dealer]
- itbyrd sitting in seat 6 with $1167.35

itbyrd posted the small blind - $5.00
-xox- posted the big blind - $10.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: King of Diamonds, Ace of Diamonds
Dreamscope called - $10.00
Pappapoker called - $10.00
johnny291281 raised - $50.00
ghostoso folded
itbyrd folded
-xox- folded
Dreamscope folded
Pappapoker called - $50.00

** Dealing the flop: Ace of Spades, 5 of Diamonds, 8 of Diamonds
Pappapoker checked
johnny291281 bet - $80.00
Pappapoker raised - $240.00
johnny291281 went all-in - $922.00
Pappapoker folded
johnny291281 mucks:
johnny291281 wins $1364.00 from the main pot

End of game 772956430

[zenbitz]

hand 1) PWNT!
hand 2) PWNT!
hand 3) he is PWNT! Moron for not raising the turn with 2 spades out and 2 opponents.

hand 4) ok, this one is not so boring. I don't like the push here, because he is not so likely to call with TPGK or non-nut-flush-draw. I would just call representing a draw. He kind of has to lead the turn, if he doesn't throw out a weak bet that begs to be raised. If he bets, raise it on the turn so that he has reasonable odds to draw to diamond flush. If he bets big, just call, and let him bet again on the river.


Acting weak is OK if you are actually strong, and are not folding TPTK+NFD, right? Only reason to not do this is if you are so aggro that calling is a giveaway that you have a good hand. Judging from the previous 3 hands, this might be the case...

[johnny_fish]

Tnx for responding.

Your advice seems results-oriented though. Give me alternative lines for hand 1&2..

Hand 3. He bets 3/4 pot at the turn.

Hand 4. I probably should've optimized vs. AQ/AJ because there's no way I'm folding early vs. 55/88/A8/xx?

[jackvance]

I'm totally out of line for this kind of high level play, but in case you want some food for thought:

hand 1&2: It seems awkward to drop out at any point along the way, and then you end up getting suckered into giving your stack. But let me ask you this, on a more meta-game level: how often do you get paid off with bottom two pair when your opp shows aggression? They seem great to float with against a top hand, but rather bad to play for stacks with if you can't put your opp on a hand easily.

hand 3: Heh, it worked out but indeed, often is a reverse-implied odds call lol. They're all hanging around for something here.. luckily it was with a straight and not a flush. Can't lay it down, but can't play it with confidence either-kinda hands, pretty much like all the ones posted :P. For meta-game purposes, you can also decide to just lay these hands down b/c on the whole they might not be +EV to play to the end?

hand 4: Heh, this sucks indeed. Flop reraise gets only called by 2p+.. call/lead is worse than reraise because you give him a free card and due to pot vs stacks, any sizeable turn bet is pot committing.. call/check is probably even worse, unless you like to play the "induce a bluff" game.

Maybe check and lead weak here? Pot is around $600 after a call, so lead the turn for $250 or so? I don't like a flop push b/c it's a typical 'only gets called by a better hand' right?

No line here is really convincing lol.. but I'd call/lead.

[zenbitz]

Tnx for responding.

Your advice seems results-oriented though. Give me alternative lines for hand 1&2..

I got nothin'. Sometimes the guy just pwns you.
Hand 1 - you just slowplayed a guy with a better hand. He c/rd you on a super scarey flop where you hold the 6th nuts and 4 outs max. I am guessing by your play on the turn that you think he has TP or draw... but he din't.

Hand 2 - why donk bet the turn? I admit you probably scare him out of raising top set... When he calls the turn what can he have that does not beat a bad two pair? TT?

Maybe these guys just happened to have the goods... but maybe you are overplaying 2 pair on very scary boards. Maybe someone better than me will pipe up.

Hand 3. He bets 3/4 pot at the turn.

My bad, I got the BB/BU confused. I am a converter-hater.

Hand 4. I probably should've optimized vs. AQ/AJ because there's no way I'm folding early vs. 55/88/A8/xx?

I'm not sure if this changes my original answer or not, but you want to get as much money as possible in on the flop+turn here by all players