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QQ, check my line, crying fold on river, right? ($11)

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  1. #1

    Default QQ, check my line, crying fold on river, right? ($11)

    No reads. Gotta dump this on the river, right? The thing is, opp only has to be FOS (eg. missed flush/straight draw, overpair, A7) one in every 3.5 times for this to be a profitable call.

    How's my line preflop and on the flop and turn?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP2 (t1500)
    MP3 (t1490)
    CO (t1560)
    Button (t1560)
    SB (t1420)
    Hero (t1500)
    UTG (t1470)
    UTG+1 (t1500)
    MP1 (t1500)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
    UTG calls t20, 5 folds, Button raises to t40, SB calls t30, Hero raises to t120, UTG folds, Button calls t80, SB calls t80.

    Flop: (t380) 3, 7, 4 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t250, Button folds, SB calls t250.

    Turn: (t880) 3 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t400, SB calls t400.

    River: (t1680) 6 (2 players)
    SB bets t650 (All-In), Hero ????
  2. #2
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    Preflop.
    With a button minraise, and the SB call, the utg is sure to call... Meaning, you've got 120 in the pot. Raising to 120 is only 3x the previous raise. I'd go a bit higher. Say, around 150-160. Hopefully only button calls. If you are reraise, you dump it.

    As played preflop, with the 2 calls, I lead out bet here, 250 is good into the 380 pot.

    The SB check/call is a bit troubling, but probably just a fish. You can't completely rule out a flopped set, although the flop call is kind of a bad play with pretty much any hand. Flopped sets should be check raising your ass here or open betting around 100-200 (hoping for you to raise your overpair). The call kind of reaks of a fish playing overcards, or possibly 88-JJ, or maaaaybe a nut flush draw.

    It is also quite possible that SB saw your flop/turn betting as mere continuation steal attempts and is putting you to the test, waiting for you to check behind and then pounce the next street. But on $11 stars games, I'd say you should push harder on the turn - get yourself committed on the turn by betting around 600-700 into that 880 pot. If you are really worried about the flop call or have reads that your opp is tight, check behind on the turn but be aware of the message that sends on the river.

    I think you played about right though, except it's hard for me to dump QQ in your spot on the river given the pot is 1680.
  3. #3
    bigger preflop
    bigger flop
    makes the turn big enough for u to shove on.

    pot build when u have a big hand.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by vqc
    bigger preflop
    bigger flop
    makes the turn big enough for u to shove on.

    pot build when u have a big hand.
    I agree, I should have bet this one harder, particularly preflop. No way these fishies are going to fold their A3 (yep, that's what SB had - so he called my 250 flop bet with bottom pair!) to a raise to 120. I should have made it at least 160-180 to go. Would have allowed me to bet the flop harder which MIGHT have prompted him to think his bottom pair probably wasn't good...

    Anyway, on the river I thought wtf, this is probably a missed spade draw or A7 and I'm getting 3.5 to 1 so I called - nh gg, fire up a new one.
  5. #5
    even as played i might shove the turn
  6. #6
    You can't really fold this river. Over half your stack is in. You gave him improper odds to chase the whole way so unless he had you beat before the river, you made a +cEV play even if you go broke.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by WildBobAA
    You can't really fold this river. Over half your stack is in. You gave him improper odds to chase the whole way so unless he had you beat before the river, you made a +cEV play even if you go broke.
    A3 nh gg
  8. #8
    I push the turn.


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